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Stockley's attorney Neil Bruntrager said ... Stockley opened fire only after Smith refused commands to put up his hands and reached along the seat "in the area where the gun was," Bruntrager said.

Well that doesn't work

Maybe the cop ****ed up the evidence retrieval?

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09-18-2017 , 12:50 PM

#5402

Eeyorefora

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Some jurisdictions have restrictions on charging a suspect, it's possible that they charged him for 1st degree murder when a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge was more likely to lead to conviction.

So in a way, if you over charge a case,you are helping the defense.

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09-18-2017 , 02:10 PM

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2. The DNA evidence is a red herring. Having prosecuted numerous cases where DNA testing was done, in my experience so-called "touch" DNA is rare and the lack of it is not dispositive.

...but the gun having the officer's DNA is still pretty significant, right?

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One of the reasons for wanting this change in the law is exactly cases like these, police officers on trial often elect a bench trial, and that often makes it much more difficult to convict them.

I wouldn't have guessed this - why do you think judges are less likely to convict police officers than juries, who are already extremely unlikely to convict police officers?

09-18-2017 , 02:10 PM

#5404

tomdemaine

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Well that doesn't work

Maybe the cop ****ed up the evidence planting?

fyp

09-18-2017 , 02:53 PM

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Georgia Tech pride leader commits suicide by cop, but the remarkable part about this is how easy it was:

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Police encountered Scout Schultz, a 21-year-old computer engineering student, in a parking lot outside the dorms after someone called 911 to report “a person with a knife and a gun,” according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Schultz wasn’t holding a gun in video recorded from a window above the parking lot shortly before midnight, as the campus was placed on lockdown.

The bureau wrote in a statement that the student was armed with a knife but L. Chris Stewart, a lawyer representing Schultz’s family, said that was a mischaracterization. Stewart said that photos from the scene show that Schultz had a 12-piece multitool at the time of the shooting but that the knife blade was not extended. Steward said that Schultz was being portrayed inaccurately as carrying a more dangerous weapon.

Guess the cops had no choice but to blast away

09-18-2017 , 06:36 PM

#5406

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

...but the gun having the officer's DNA is still pretty significant, right?

I wouldn't have guessed this - why do you think judges are less likely to convict police officers than juries, who are already extremely unlikely to convict police officers?

I think every cop who chooses a bench trial knows what he is getting and vice versa a cop choosing a jury trial knows he has little choice, The bar association knows full well how the judge rules. It was key for the State to show the gun was planted. The Judge statement that 30 years on the bench a heroine dealer without a gun is a anomaly, makes it clear that it was a very good choice.

09-19-2017 , 12:50 AM

#5407

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Georgia Tech pride leader commits suicide by cop, but the remarkable part about this is how easy it was:

Guess the cops had no choice but to blast away

I get the feeling it was about getting 15 minutes of fame, knowing the world is watching every shooting incident. Being a student leader just doesn't get you enough fame.

09-19-2017 , 01:14 AM

#5408

OmgGlutten!

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Likelihood that the cop that shot that white kid honestly felt threatened vs has been waiting to kill someone all his life?

09-19-2017 , 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Used2Play

The judge explained those words as heat of the moment things people say. We have all said something like that when someone (person or pet or computer) pisses us off. The expression is common.

Think about what you are saying; that he is not using the phrase as a matter of expression, but stating his pre meditated plans to murder someone to his partner, and knowing it's being recorded on his dash cam. Why would he do this?

There is circumstantial evidence that we wanted to shoot him and that he may have planted a gun. However it is not beyond a reasonable doubt therefore he should be acquitted. Sometimes guilty people go free. (I have no idea what his intentions were and whether he is guilty or innocent).

i can't even

09-19-2017 , 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Georgia Tech pride leader commits suicide by cop, but the remarkable part about this is how easy it was:

Guess the cops had no choice but to blast away

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Likelihood that the cop that shot that white kid honestly felt threatened vs has been waiting to kill someone all his life?

From that same WP article, emphasis mine:

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In the call to police Saturday night, Schultz described a suspicious person “as a white male, with long blond hair, white T-shirt & blue jeans who is possibly intoxicated, holding a knife and possibly armed with a gun on his hip,” according to a statement from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

I don't think you Short Hairs realize just how much this bumps you up in the queue.

09-19-2017 , 03:05 AM

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6ix

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Originally Posted by jman220

I guess I got slow ponied on my last post.

Some things are worth repeating.

09-19-2017 , 03:07 AM

#5412

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

maybe defensive contact - dude pulls gun, officer scrapes skin trying to push it away

maybe contact after the shooting - officer grabs/tosses gun away from dude's body

maybe i can't even

09-20-2017 , 08:58 PM

#5413

Chips Ahoy

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http://splinternews.com/oklahoma-cop...rea-1818601866

man does nothing wrong, is shot dead by police.

09-21-2017 , 04:08 AM

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http://splinternews.com/oklahoma-cop...rea-1818601866

man does nothing wrong, is shot dead by police.

But surely the cop feared for his life somehow, so that's that: not guilty on all counts.

I mean this one is really ****ed up and most of these stories are pretty ****ed up. The cops are investigating a car accident, discover a mentally disabled deaf man with a cane and shoot him. I don't even.

09-21-2017 , 06:58 AM

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"Both officers weren’t wearing body cameras."

Shocker.

09-21-2017 , 02:44 PM

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It boggles my mind that as a country the US can stand behind and cream for their 2nd amendment rights and then also allow "I was scared he might have a gun" to be a valid defense.

09-21-2017 , 06:34 PM

#5417

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

It boggles my mind that as a country the US can stand behind and cream for their 2nd amendment rights and then also allow "I was scared he might have a gun" to be a valid defense.

System working exactly as intended for the biggest 2nd Amendment fans.

09-21-2017 , 07:12 PM

#5418

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Not so fast, this was literally down the road from me, the deaf guy was defending his father who had been involved in a hit and run, which if you see the surveillance video, it's a wonder he wasn't killed, he flips his truck, it rolls back onto it's wheels and he goes to his sons residence.

Evidently he told the son what happened and so the son gets a pipe/ stick and goes to confront the cops when they show up a few minutes later.

Cops tell him to drop the weapon, pointing guns at him, he doesn't but advances towards them, so one cop fires his taser.

Unfortunately, another cop fires his gun at the same instant.

The ol Betty Shelby move....

(Look it up, it happened in Oklahoma too)

So what pretty much happened is an illegal immigrant got into a wreck, his dumbass son tried to fight the cops and a trigger happy cop shot him.

Plenty of bad decisions all around.

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09-21-2017 , 07:22 PM

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Link needed.

09-21-2017 , 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Link needed.

Uh,I was there....

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09-21-2017 , 07:54 PM

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2A is one of the biggest things cops are afraid of. Cops hate it that other people own guns.

09-21-2017 , 08:43 PM

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God if only there was a way to videotape situations like this so that there was no ambiguity!

09-21-2017 , 08:44 PM

#5423

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Originally Posted by bware

God if only there was a way to videotape situations like this so that there was no ambiguity!

Yeah,me too.

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09-21-2017 , 09:52 PM

#5424

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Cops hate it that other people own guns.

Certain other people, yes.

09-21-2017 , 10:23 PM

#5425

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Certain other people, yes.

exactly. note that white people carrying AK-47s at charlottesville were left to their own devices

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