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09-08-2017 , 09:33 PM
That's what makes it so great
09-08-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm not sure what rooting for the cops would mean there, but I'm rooting for open carry guy. He's lower on the ahole power rankings imo and if he's going to make his 2A stand and does it in a God damned police station? Well that's the best spot for it.
And naturally, when you're going into a police station carrying a rifle to "file a complaint", bring a friend with a camera and a tripod
09-08-2017 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm not sure what rooting for the cops would mean there, but I'm rooting for open carry guy. He's lower on the ahole power rankings imo and if he's going to make his 2A stand and does it in a God damned police station? Well that's the best spot for it.
+1.

Kind of follows the whole 'best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly' mentality. Prob not what the 2A guy had in mind, but if that's the effect, I suppose that's a win.
09-10-2017 , 06:51 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/new-...acial-boy/amp/

8 year old boy lynched. The attackers - age 14 - get maximum protection from the sympathetic system, treated as juveniles. Not called a gang. Black teenagers never get this chance. They get tried as adults.
09-10-2017 , 07:04 PM
A black boy is swinging from a tree and the authorities don't think it is racially motivated.

Why tell such an obvious lie?

They have more empathy for the predators than for the victim.
09-10-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/new-...acial-boy/amp/

8 year old boy lynched. The attackers - age 14 - get maximum protection from the sympathetic system, treated as juveniles. Not called a gang. Black teenagers never get this chance. They get tried as adults.
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
A black boy is swinging from a tree and the authorities don't think it is racially motivated.

Why tell such an obvious lie?

They have more empathy for the predators than for the victim.

I'm kinda torn here. I spent a couple years of my life helping a friend research a project (she was an art teacher who taught art therapy at juvenile facilities) about juveniles being tried and incarcerated as adults, not just in general but working with specific young people to get their life stories. Thus, I have very strong feelings that 14yr old people should not be tried as adults. The rebuttal is always, what about the crime being heinous? The conter-rebuttal is, that's the entire point, the whole reason we make the distinction. Nobody is talking about misdemeanor shoplifting.

But.

All of these young people were black boys, save for one black girl and one white boy, all poor from the south side of Chicago. So I quite obviously agree with the ridiculous double standard and I have no stomach for or interest in defending these lynchers. This is about as heinous as it gets, and I can deal with being put in the awkward position of having to think, "Well, my kids were just regular ol' gang-related single homicides, not this madness."
09-10-2017 , 09:59 PM
I'm fine with not treating the 14 year olds as adults. Let's put some charges on the parents though if they did something to make their children such psychopaths. And, let's look at that cop and see who he chose to recommend treatment as children vs. adults and if he is pressing for different treatment based on race, then let's hit him with some serious civil rights violation charges.
09-10-2017 , 10:03 PM
I agree that 14 year old should never be tried as an adult. Further I think life sentences should be capped at the criminal's age. The outrage isn't having mercy for these criminals.

A merciful justice system for the well off white juvenile and cruelty for everybody else is obscene. Let the white kids feel the full force of the law and reform will be possible. The outrage is denying the crimes that were committed and selective mercy.

Empathy is the magic word. The police and prosecutors can imagine themselves as these white teens, they can have hope for them. A Trayvon Martin (who did nothing wrong) or the 12 year old black kid with the toy gun or countless other young black kids will never receive that empathy. About them the worst will be assumed. The maximum force of law applied. Different words chosen: gang banger, thug, tough.

The quotes in the article are "we can't ruin their lives". About the people who lynched an 8 year boy for being black. They ruined their own lives, but they get a mulligan because black lives don't actually matter to law enforcement.

Compare this case to the central park 5.
09-10-2017 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm fine with not treating the 14 year olds as adults. Let's put some charges on the parents though if they did something to make their children such psychopaths. And, let's look at that cop and see who he chose to recommend treatment as children vs. adults and if he is pressing for different treatment based on race, then let's hit him with some serious civil rights violation charges.
The police have nothing to do with the decision to try a juvenile as an adult.
09-10-2017 , 10:23 PM
p.s. I just realized a sentence was written very poorly:

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Originally Posted by 6ix
... So I quite obviously agree with the ridiculous double standard and I have no stomach for or interest in defending these lynchers.

...
It should be something like, "So I quite obviously agree with your observation of the ridiculous double standard and I have no stomach for or interest in defending these lynchers."
09-10-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I agree that 14 year old should never be tried as an adult. Further I think life sentences should be capped at the criminal's age. The outrage isn't having mercy for these criminals.

A merciful justice system for the well off white juvenile and cruelty for everybody else is obscene. Let the white kids feel the full force of the law and reform will be possible. The outrage is denying the crimes that were committed and selective mercy.

Empathy is the magic word. The police and prosecutors can imagine themselves as these white teens, they can have hope for them. A Trayvon Martin (who did nothing wrong) or the 12 year old black kid with the toy gun or countless other young black kids will never receive that empathy. About them the worst will be assumed. The maximum force of law applied. Different words chosen: gang banger, thug, tough.

The quotes in the article are "we can't ruin their lives". About the people who lynched an 8 year boy for being black. They ruined their own lives, but they get a mulligan because black lives don't actually matter to law enforcement.

Compare this case to the central park 5.
You're preaching to the choir, brother.

(I mean, I'm in the front pew and I hope there aren't any heathens in the back)
09-10-2017 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
...

The quotes in the article are "we can't ruin their lives". About the people who lynched an 8 year boy for being black. They ruined their own lives, but they get a mulligan because black lives don't actually matter to law enforcement.

Compare this case to the central park 5.
Yeah, at first I wasn't a big fan of the name BLM as I thought something with some more pop and fire would be better but hot damn it really is genius.
09-10-2017 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
The police have nothing to do with the decision to try a juvenile as an adult.
While the chief of police doesn't make the decision it may well not be right to say he has nothing to do with it. Let's see how he handled juvenile suspects of other races, including whether he released their info. That's what I'd do if I were on the civilian oversight committee of the police force in Claremont, NH if they have such a thing.
09-10-2017 , 11:42 PM
I'm trying to figure out a way to add "Start The Revolution" to this page:

https://www.facebook.com/places/Thin...5651762802607/
09-10-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
While the chief of police doesn't make the decision it may well not be right to say he has nothing to do with it. Let's see how he handled juvenile suspects of other races, including whether he released their info. That's what I'd do if I were on the civilian oversight committee of the police force in Claremont, NH if they have such a thing.
Yeah, in a small town all of their input is taken into account. It's not like a big city with different unconnected moving parts.
09-11-2017 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Implied consent only applies as a search incident to arrest. The patient was never arrested, and wasn't even considered a suspect in a crime. Attempting to force a blood draw without consent is clearly unconstitutional in this case.
The standard in Utah appears to be Implied Consent if the police "have reason to believe" you were operating under the influence.

I am guessing that's written that way to make the standard for suspicion lower than your usual probable cause or reasonable suspicion in the effort by the legislature to give cops as much flexibility as possible.

A cop could easily say he had "reason to believe" the driver was intoxicated for any number of reasons (this driver failed to yield for lighted police cars in pursuit).
09-11-2017 , 12:55 AM
09-11-2017 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
The letter is pure insanity. They don't even really deny his account, some nonsense about how he was running so of course it was reasonable to put a gun to his head and threaten his life. Oh and some amazing demand that ROG investigate him for...?
jfc it starts out by criticizing him for "disrespect for our American Flag, and everything it symbolizes".
09-11-2017 , 02:27 PM
09-12-2017 , 08:39 AM
This is fantastic
09-13-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Continuing the "fire them all" theme, NYT has a story today about a five year old case in Ferguson that, for unknown reasons, the city is continuing to prosecute despite it highlighting all of their worst civil rights problems:


...but particularly egregious is the history of the arresting officer:


This guy is still an officer in Ferguson!!

Regarding how/why the case is still being prosecuted, despite city leadership being shaken up since the DoJ got involved there:


WTF?
Update! After 5 years, Ferguson finally drops charges against this guy

Also, apparently he filed a civil suit (don't remember if that was in the earlier NYT article):

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While Watson’s criminal case has ended, civil litigation over his arrest has only just begun. In July, Watson filed suit against Ferguson and the arresting officer, identified in court documents as Eddie Boyd III.

The complaint in U.S. District Court in St. Louis alleges a range of civil rights violations, including malicious prosecution by the city. The description of the encounter is similar to what appeared in the Department of Justice report but goes deeper into detail.
Hope he gets $$$$, according to the articles he lost his high-paying job and his savings over all of this ****.
09-14-2017 , 02:38 PM
The problem is juries want cops to be "terrified" and do everything they can do to protect themselves, even if it means blatant excessive force



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Baltimore County police officer testified Wednesday that he kicked a suspect out of concern for his and other officers' safety, and denied spitting on the man as he lay on the ground handcuffed

...

Farrar was “giving me a posture consistent with somebody who’s not ready to give up,” Spivey said, describing how Farrar was facing him and standing. “I needed to deliver a physical strike. … I had no idea who this guy was,” or whether he was armed.

....

On cross examination, Coffin asked if Farrar did not display the body language of a submissive person.

“He was ordered to get on the ground and put his hands to the side, is that not what he did?” Coffin said. But Key said Farrar still potentially posed a threat when he got on the ground in a push-up position because his hands could still reach for a weapon or he could push off the ground and continue to run.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...913-story.html



Jesus
09-14-2017 , 02:41 PM
WHITE PEOPLE
09-14-2017 , 09:53 PM
Rojava style, everyone should go through 6 weeks of police training and then the police forces should all be disbanded.
09-15-2017 , 05:44 AM
I gotta admit that terrible lie to explain the video is more plausible than most. Which is kinda disturbing.

      
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