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09-05-2017 , 07:17 AM
Eeyorefora:

IANAL so I don't know, but isn't there a statute of limitations on the various charges that have been filed against Mr. Watson? Unless it's a charge of murder, most [alleged] criminal offenses have a set period of time in which a defendant must be charged, indicted, and/or prosecuted. Charges, especially criminal charges, cannot be held [in limbo] over a citizen indefinitely. At some point the Ferguson prosecutor either has to sh*t or get off the pot. (That is my understanding of the statute of limitations.)

If the city of Ferguson does not proceed to prosecute Mr. Watson on Officer Boyd's charges, can't he go ahead and sue the city - once the statutes have tolled? I can't believe that the police (or a prosecutor) can file criminal charges against you and never bring you to trial. Something doesn't add up here ...

Last edited by Former DJ; 09-05-2017 at 07:26 AM.
09-05-2017 , 08:22 AM
Pistol whipped a 12 year old girl. Kept his job. Jesus.
09-05-2017 , 08:52 AM
protect and serve.
09-05-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
Eeyorefora:

IANAL so I don't know, but isn't there a statute of limitations on the various charges that have been filed against Mr. Watson?
Yes, except it's not called statute of limitations. It's a speedy trial issue.
09-05-2017 , 11:57 AM
The Daily Caller steps up with the obligatory take defending arresting that nurse:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/ar..._medium=Social

(despite being written by an attorney, nearly all of the legal analysis in this article is wildly incorrect. It's so incorrect that a lay person just reading the article could poke holes in it)
09-05-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Wow, A+ link.
09-05-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Yes, except it's not called statute of limitations. It's a speedy trial issue.
Right,and you have to have a judge willing to cut the BS and tell the DA to start a trial.

Reality is, that doesn't happen near enough.

Through discovery motions,court approved competency testing and various other reasons, a trial can be delayed almost indefinitely.

Right now,in the county jail where I live there are approximately 2200 inmates in a jail designed for 1200 .

Over 1/3 haven't been to trial, some for years,in fact, if you are charged with a serious crime,the average time to go to trial is almost 18 months.

This is when they want to go to trial,so how big a stretch is it to delay for years if you don't?



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09-05-2017 , 08:52 PM
The insane thing is how the reporter is all "aw, shucks, we all make mistakes". The **** is wrong with these people.
09-05-2017 , 09:09 PM
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Shaw has been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, according to a Tuesday-afternoon news release from the sheriff’s office.

“Our hearts and prayers are with Mr. Grimm as he recovers and with Deputy Jake Shaw and we ask the community to keep both of them in your hearts and prayers as well,” the release said.
**** you press release guy(s), I'm not ****ing praying for the deputy. I mean, I'm not praying for either of them since that **** does nothing (we'll talk about that later), but even as a gesture of good will I'm sure as **** not PRAYING FOR THE GUY WHO SHOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING UNPROVOKED AND WITHOUT WARNING.
09-05-2017 , 09:20 PM
Just too bad, you know, one guy was just standing there and got shot, another guy shot a guy, really unfortunate on both ends
09-05-2017 , 10:58 PM
Tripods and cameras, wallets, phones, books - hold any of these things and cops just start shooting. The only thing cops absolutely won't shoot at is a bunch of white supremacists marching around with AR-15s.
09-06-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The Daily Caller steps up with the obligatory take defending arresting that nurse:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/ar..._medium=Social

(despite being written by an attorney, nearly all of the legal analysis in this article is wildly incorrect. It's so incorrect that a lay person just reading the article could poke holes in it)
Fly:

In all of this attorney's "brilliant" legal analysis does he bother to mention the original sin that began the cascade of events which culminated in Alex Wubbels arrest. That would be the [allegedly] illegal high speed police pursuit of Mr. Torres which resulted in the death of Mr. Torres and the serious burn injuries to Mr. Gray. Idaho state law, as well as similar pursuit laws in numerous jurisdictions all across the United States, prohibit high speed police pursuits unless there is probable cause to believe that the fleeing suspect has just committed a violent crime. Such laws are specifically designed to prevent just these kind of accidents. (Officers are not [legally] allowed to engage in a high speed pursuit of a fleeing suspect who was stopped for a minor traffic offense - such as a broken tail light.)

It appears that this case is going to hinge on whether or not the high speed pursuit of Mr. Torres by a Salt Lake City police officer was legal. If Mr. Torres was fleeing after having just robbed a bank or a convenience store at gun point, (or had just shot somebody), then the high speed pursuit was probably legal. If not, the Salt Lake City PD - and the City of Salt Lake - are very likely to be sued by both the family of [the late] Mr. Torres as well as Mr. Gray, the truck driver. The fact that Lieutenant Tracy, officer Payne's Watch Commander, was so insistent on getting Mr. Gray's blood - without a properly executed search warrant - seems to imply that the high speed chase may not have been legal. If that turns out to be the case, then you've got the cops committing one crime, (i.e. falsely arresting nurse Wubbels), to try and obfuscate another crime - the illegal high speed chase.

Regardless of the reason Mr. Torres was fleeing, none of the unfortunate events that followed - including the arrest of Alex Wubbels - would have occurred without that high speed pursuit. The great legal mind of this "lawyer" didn't bother mentioning the event that triggered this tragedy. That would have gotten in the way of his flawless logic.

This "attorney" probably graduated (without honors) from the "Joe Dunce" Law School.
09-06-2017 , 05:26 AM
Anyone want to go down a rabbit hole, go Reddit the case of Rodney Reed .

Convicted of the murder of Stacey Stites in 1996 in Texas,in what seems like a open and shut case in the murder of the fiancee of a police officer, goes in a direction that blew my mind.

Bad police work, bad lawyers and possibly cover-ups by additional law enforcement is just the start.

The only thing that tempers my outrage is that Rodney Reed is a scumbag and may be getting OJ Simpson type justice.

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09-06-2017 , 10:24 AM
I like how DJ Alan is always three days behind the rest of us
09-06-2017 , 02:23 PM
Sheriff's deputies in Alameda County, CA (contains Oakland) charged for cruel and inhumane acts against jail prisoners

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One victim woke up one morning in November to an inmate throwing urine on him after Linn opened a cell door to facilitate the attack, according to the charges. When the victim pressed an emergency call button to seek aid, “Linn responded to his cell and laughed at him when he made the report,” prosecutors wrote.
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Another jail employee also testified to witnessing Lynn facilitate urine and feces attacks, prosecutors said.

McDermott, also accused of opening handcuffing ports to allow an inmate to “gas” others, is further alleged to have strangled an inmate by “placing pressure around his neck with his arm until he lost consciousness”.

Linn and McDermott both intimidated witnesses into staying silent, including by trying to spread rumors that victims and witnesses were “snitches” who were cooperating with law enforcement, prosecutors alleged.
And this is, of course, not unique:

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In San Francisco, a sheriff’s deputy last year was accused of running an inmate “fight club” in which prisoners were forced to gamble for food and essentials and were told they could be beaten or shocked if they refused to beat each other. There have been similar reports of violent abuse and neglect across the US in recent years, including at jails and prisons in New York City, Oregon, Chicago and other facilities in California.
09-08-2017 , 12:29 PM
I can't look it up right now but the Las Vegas Police Union letter about Michael Bennett is very disturbing. In their defense about putting a gun at his head they talk about him taking a knee during the national anthem.
09-08-2017 , 12:34 PM
The letter is pure insanity. They don't even really deny his account, some nonsense about how he was running so of course it was reasonable to put a gun to his head and threaten his life. Oh and some amazing demand that ROG investigate him for...?
09-08-2017 , 01:29 PM


We're taking money away from drug dealers and putting it to good use in having a good cheese spread.
09-08-2017 , 01:41 PM


NSFW language

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09-08-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I can't look it up right now but the Las Vegas Police Union letter about Michael Bennett is very disturbing. In their defense about putting a gun at his head they talk about him taking a knee during the national anthem.
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Originally Posted by Riverman
The letter is pure insanity. They don't even really deny his account, some nonsense about how he was running so of course it was reasonable to put a gun to his head and threaten his life. Oh and some amazing demand that ROG investigate him for...?
Link:


https://twitter.com/Vanessa_Murphy/s...45854128529408

Here's The Nation on it

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But calling upon Bennett’s employer to investigate him in response to speaking about what happened is, gobsmackingly, not even the most repugnant part. The union then references Bennett’s anthem protests, and with the thud of a bully’s sucker-punch, writes, “While the NFL may condone Bennett’s disrespect for our American Flag, and everything it symbolizes, we hope the league will not ignore Bennett’s false accusations against our police officers.”

Invoking Bennett’s politics as a post-facto justification for what took place is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible. It is a cheap effort to put out the idea to the world that, no matter what the officers in question may have done, Michael Bennett deserved what happened to him because of his political beliefs.

After that, the letter is just manure thrown against the wall, with the hope that something sticks. It’s terribly shoddy work—for a document aiming to refute “Bennett’s false accusations against our police officers,” nothing factual that Bennett described in his own letter or subsequent press conference is either challenged or refuted.
09-08-2017 , 04:58 PM
What the officers who "detained" Bennett did was bad and deeply troubling.

What the police union did was horrific and much, much worse.
09-08-2017 , 09:09 PM
09-08-2017 , 09:22 PM
I don't know who to root for in that video, both sides are so hateable
09-08-2017 , 09:32 PM
I'm not sure what rooting for the cops would mean there, but I'm rooting for open carry guy. He's lower on the ahole power rankings imo and if he's going to make his 2A stand and does it in a God damned police station? Well that's the best spot for it.

      
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