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Right, who knows, but I'd bet large sums of money that it should be significantly higher. Even if it should only be 20%, a sample size in the tens of thousands means the difference can't be chalked up to chance.

Come to think of it, though, that alone doesn't mean cops are being intentionally let off the hook. Probably a lot of the civilians' accusations can't be proven, and if they could be, maybe the 3% would be much higher.

11-20-2015 , 09:46 PM

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I would be absolutely floored if the "correct" number was 20%.

11-21-2015 , 01:54 AM

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Bear in mind that it wouldn't mean 20% of cops are bad. The bad cops are getting multiple complaints.

11-21-2015 , 01:46 PM

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Yeah I understand that. It would certainly stand to reason that the bad cops would get more complaints, but the complaints would have other reasons to not be independent events, i.e. cops working certain departments, certain beats, etc would be more likely to have complaints lodged against them, legitimate or otherwise.

I'm sympathetic to the concept and I'd bet a large amount of money that cops are being punished "too seldomly" based on complaints, its just very very hard to suss that out based on a single number like 3%.

11-21-2015 , 02:45 PM

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I think it's always been thought that people getting arrested routinely accuse the police of brutality. So, in the past, those who were being rightfully arrested would have their complaints ignored altogether.

Only the complaints of those who turned out to be innocent would be given any credence, and then they'd be weighted by "Well, the police had good reason to think he was guilty" as if that excused most brutality. In the case of the tennis player getting bodyslammed outside his hotel, the force would have excessive even if they'd had the right guy. But many seem to act as if the police thinking they did makes it ok.

11-21-2015 , 04:43 PM

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Right. I think what should be the most horrifying thing of this new "fad" of giving a **** about police brutality is when people who routinely believe everything cops say see video footage come out later that directly, inarguably contradicts everything that the police said in their report to defend themselves. It should make any thinking person think back to the last 50 years when video footage was never available.

11-23-2015 , 10:53 AM

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Still, boil down all the numbers and caveats above and you arrive at a simple fact: In the United States, in 2014, more cash and property transferred hands via civil asset forfeiture than via burglary. The total value of asset forfeitures was more than one third of the total value of property stolen by criminals in 2014. That represents something of a sea change in the way police do business -- and its prompting plenty of scrutiny of the practice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mepage%2Fstory

11-23-2015 , 01:39 PM

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JFC

11-28-2015 , 10:43 PM

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The way Chicago handled this video release shines a light on the priorities left unaddressed. The people of Chicago, particularly those of color, seem to be viewed not so much as citizens to guard and protect as they are people to guard and protect*against. Chicago officials, to this point in the Laquan McDonald story, have made it clear that they fear racial unrest and property damage more than they fear the absence of justice for police victims.*

https://newrepublic.com/article/1246...aquan-mcdonald

11-30-2015 , 12:39 PM

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This sounds like good public policy and I can't see any problems that might arise from this

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The lawsuit against Melton was one of a small but growing number of cases the prisons department brings each year against inmates to recoup the cost of their imprisonment, an effort intended to help fund operations that makes convicted felons feel a financial pinch for their crimes — in addition to the time they do.

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Prison officials identify targets in a variety of ways. All inmates fill out financial disclosure forms. Others rise to the attention of prison officials through tips or through having their mail read, according to a corrections department spokeswoman. That identifies inmates who receive, say, a bank or brokerage statement in the mail. What is not clear is whether there is a financial threshold that must be reached to trigger a referral to the attorney general's office, though all of the inmates who have been sued since 2010 appeared to have at least $10,000 in assets.

Melvin Moore believes officials saw a brokerage statement he received. Nearing the end of his prison term for a 1995 murder and attempted robbery on Chicago's West Side, Moore was concerned how he would survive once he was released. Then he got good news: He had inherited 5 percent of his grandmother's estate, which was in a Merrill Lynch account and amounted to close to $14,000.

Moore, who was paroled last month, said his grandmother was initially reluctant to include him in her will because of his crimes. But he said that his sisters persuaded her that he would need money to get back on his feet when he was released from the penitentiary.

"She knew I would need something coming home," he said in an interview.

Moore, now 50, was sued earlier this year. The amount the department said it cost to house Moore over two decades: $338,650.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...129-story.html

11-30-2015 , 03:25 PM

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It's like it's not even worth it to be a criminal anymore. It used to be going to prison was the occasional cost of doing business, but now that cost includes paying for your own incarceration, jeez.

11-30-2015 , 08:13 PM

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You dont think its a pretty ****ing terrible idea for prisons and the justice system to be trolling financial disclosure statements looking for prisoners with money to target in this way? I mean, what could go wrong? Civil asset forfeiture seemed like a great idea too, I mean "Its hardly even worth it to be a drug dealer any more, cops take your car!"

11-30-2015 , 08:49 PM

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It can be tough being a bad guy, society doesn't give them many breaks. Although they probably didn't give many breaks to their victims, so I dunno. Everyone's just doing what they're supposed to do. Get as much as they can from each other.

11-30-2015 , 08:53 PM

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He was being sarcastic about civil forfeiture, you realize that right?

But yeah, that's a terrible public policy. Not really all that surprising from the US and their culture of incarceration

11-30-2015 , 08:54 PM

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Wreck it Ralph was on TV last night. I take it you watched?

11-30-2015 , 08:55 PM

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Lucky ducky prisoners amiright?

11-30-2015 , 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

He was being sarcastic about civil forfeiture, you realize that right?

But yeah, that's a terrible public policy. Not really all that surprising from the US and their culture of incarceration

Yes, I realize. I was just being irreverent.

11-30-2015 , 09:13 PM

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Wreck it Ralph was on TV last night. I take it you watched?

No, I've never seen it actually. My brother told me about that scene, said it was a funny movie. I'm sure I'll watch it sometime.

12-01-2015 , 02:21 AM

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The story about civil forfeitures now being > than burglaries reminded me of this.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/invest...f2e_story.html

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**** is just out of control

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Since 2009, D.C. officers have made more than 12,000 seizures under city and federal laws, according to records and data obtained from the city by The Washington Post through the District’s open records law. Half of the more than $5.5 million in cash seizures were for $141 or less, with more than a thousand for less than $20. D.C. police have seized more than 1,000 cars, some for minor offenses allegedly committed by the children or friends of the vehicle owners, documents show.

They're just stealing people's jewelry and pocket money!

12-02-2015 , 02:42 AM

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I'll just leave this here.

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Leaked Documents Reveal Dothan Police Department Planted Drugs on Young Black Men For Years, District Attorney Doug Valeska Complicit

http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/20...ska-complicit/

12-02-2015 , 04:17 AM

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wow, i've never seen anything like the above. what other leaks in the last 10 years or so are similar if any? sickening

12-03-2015 , 02:51 PM

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Welp. Another execution in the streets.

Warning: guy get killed in this video, though you can't really see him after shots start poppin off.

12-03-2015 , 03:15 PM

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context? was that today?

12-03-2015 , 03:24 PM

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yesterday
https://news.vice.com/article/video-...rce=vicenewsfb

12-03-2015 , 03:25 PM

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context? was that today?

Wednesday,

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Police went to the neighborhood about 4:20 p.m. after a man told them he had been stabbed in the shoulder about half an hour earlier on the 6600 block of Third Street by an assailant who was still in the area, police said.
Officers said they found the suspect nearby on the 2900 block of Keith Street, holding what appeared to be a six- to eight-inch kitchen knife. At least five officers surrounded him at gunpoint and ordered him to drop the knife, Suhr said

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