It's such an odd phrasing "this girl needs to take some personal responsibility here."

No one says no disruptive student should be removed from a classroom. That's not what has people angry, the part that has people angry is the part for which the girl can't take any personal responsibility for.

Shouldn't she take responsibility for the whole thing?

I mean, if when the teacher said "leave my class" she had just left, no administration or police are involved.

Guys, I'm all for piling on cops, but the kid in her class on Instagram even said the cop asked her several times to get up and leave.

She chose to make him forcefully remove her.

Look, I'll admit that some force may have been necessary to remove her from the class. She was disruptive and was not following the officers commands. However, no reasonable person would argue that the escalation of force to that level was necessary. And anyone who would argue that would also argue that the officer could have justifiably shot her if only he used one of those magic little words: "I feared for my life" or "She reached for my gun." These are not reasonable people.

The whole thing? No. Even if someone's "guilty" of something doesn't mean the cop has carte blanc to do whatever he wants. They're supposed to use the minimal force necessary, for the obvious reason that we don't want power lifting cops showing off their wrestling skills on girls in desks and then dragging them around the classroom.

@ the "personal responsibility" crowd. We're not calling her an angel, we're saying a line needs to be drawn for how much force to use in the situation. Another way he could have removed her was by shooting her in the head and carrying her corpse away, but you'd at least agree that's excessive? So we need some amount of force less than that, the question is how much.

He could have just, you know, picked her up or moved the whole desk, since that would achieve the goal of removing her from the classroom. He didn't have to slam her to the ground / inflict bodily harm to her given that she had committed no crime, posed no threat and was just sitting down. It's not like she got out of the desk and started swinging at him.

And if she's responsible for provoking the maniac, isn't he also responsible for reacting like one and beating up on a girl? Or are we to just expect our cops to be raving lunatics by nature and assume all consequences of disobeying one (or our kids disobeying one), similar to how it's not the alligator's fault if we step in the water and get eaten?

Oh and in other news, So I guess it was another one of those *Not intended to be a factual statement moments.

Without watching the video, I'm going to assume based on this guy's comments that:
- the use of force that took place was super out of proportion to what was necessary to remove her
- this dude is suggesting that once her behavior invited the use of force, she alone is responsible for any degree of severity that it reached, aka the "Eric Garner chose to break the law selling loose cigarettes so it's his fault he was choked to death" defense

Am I close?

NYT article about the video, officer, and school

Man this dude from Winnipeg is like so confused about what all the hubbub is about and why the feds are getting involved when it was clearly her fault and she just needs to take some personal responsibility.

Prosecutor admits to covering up police assault and pressing false charges.

Gets 18 months probation

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...d88fe923f.html

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hope that dick was worth your upcoming disbarment, sweetheart

Favorite part of the story:

The two prosecutors who lost their jobs are the daughter-in-law of Todd Worrell (former baseball St Louis Cardinal) and daughter of Dan Dierdorf (former football St Louis Cardinal)

Probation? JFC what a deterrent!!!

The Sheriff's office released a statement that the police officer who used force against the black student has been dating a black woman

Deal for her testimony.

If bolded were "has a black friend" it would obviously be Onion. As is, I'm leaning toward thinking it's real, but I can't tell because LOL if it is.

CNN currently has "THIRD VIDEO SHOWS STUDENT HITS OFFICER" but that neglects to mention that the "hit" is after the cop has her in a chokehold and has her up off the ground, on the way to the suplex. And it's like a tap.

The ****ing cop apologists that instantly rally to the aid of their 'brother', no matter what he/she has done is so disgusting. I appreciate and admire the police that do their job honorably. Defending asshats like this guy is so counter-productive.

If someone grabs me around the neck I'm swinging much harder than she did. It's a completely natural reaction to swing/push when someone grabs you like that.

CNN is looking pretty fair and balancey these days.

I mean ****, he's mid suplex and she flails her arms and that's a punch?

Without video its written up as responding to suspect's physical provocation.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/27/d...mmond-police-k

Another straight up murder/execution... but no charges for our brave heroes in blue...

/pukes

Serious question because I know I can be biased...

When people outside of police/prosecutor complex watch the Hammond video do they agree with the prosecutor Adams that the officer was justified in shooting the kid and that no charges are appropriate?

I can understand how the prosecutor is biased towards the officer and decline to press charges, but it sometimes feels like I'm watching a completely different video than other people... It can be very frustrating seeing a video like that and knowing that the cop will never face a jury...

<sigh>. Help me out here, folks.

I swear every couple hours a new video angle shows up from that classroom melee. This cop was committing violence in front of camera crew lol. Camera phones are legit best thing to happen to civilians/worst for cops. As camera phones get higher quality it's only going to get worse.

A lot of folks have the mindset that if you don't listen then whatever happens next is on you.

I've seen one guy on FB side with the police in a ton of these situations but there was a situation awhile back where he didn't feel he was treated well. It sounded like he had a point but he got so so so mad when I trolled him about just doing what he's told and he'd be fine.