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When companies like Ancestry.com and 23andMe first invited people to send in their DNA for genealogy tracing and medical diagnostic tests, privacy advocates warned about the creation of giant genetic databases that might one day be used against participants by law enforcement.

Now, five years later, when 23andMe andAncestry Both have over a million customers, those warnings are looking prescient. “Your relative’s DNA could turn you into a suspect,” warns Wired, writing about a case from earlier this year, in which New Orleans filmmaker Michael Usry became a suspect in an unsolved murder case after cops did a familial genetic search using semen collected in 1996. The cops searched an Ancestry.com database and got a familial match to a saliva sample Usry’s father had given years earlier.

http://fusion.net/story/215204/law-e...fbf98aae6cfff6

10-18-2015 , 01:00 PM

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Louis Cyphre

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Detention of black teens by police outside D.C. bank sparks protests

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Jason Goolsby stood outside a bank (...). The teen said a woman pushing a baby stroller approached, and he held the vestibule door open for her.(....)Moments later, Goolsby said, he saw D.C. police cars racing toward him. One, he said, nearly hit him. The college freshman said he ran.
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A caller to 911 reported suspicious youths loitering at the bank’s entrance and according to a transcript of her call made available Wednesday, said, “we just left but we felt like if we had taken money out we might’ve gotten robbed.”

10-20-2015 , 11:36 PM

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This is ridiculous...911 operators need to tell people that if no crime is being committed and no is hurt the cops aren't coming. I know we live in a litigious society but we also supposedly live in a free society and it is not reasonable for someone who is breaking no laws to be stopped, ID'd, interrogated, searched and ran for warrants simply because a civilian thinks they are a suspicious person. This is not minority report, we don't need cops responding to pre-crime.

10-21-2015 , 12:02 AM

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What do you think "Stop & Frisk" is?

10-21-2015 , 12:20 AM

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Stop and Frisk is wrong and unconstitutional IMO

10-21-2015 , 01:46 AM

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Definitely; was just pointing out that this isn't a new thing.

Not sure we can blame it completely for the death of Probable Cause and the 4th Amendment, but it really really sucks that the massive nationwide drop in crime coincided with Stop & Frisk in our biggest city and media center. Lazy ****ing reporters still won't acknowledge crime dropped just as much in places that didn't routinely violate the Constitution.

10-22-2015 , 03:05 AM

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Question: If cop searches my car and the glove box is locked, does he need a warrant to open it?

Internet says yes, but I am curious if this is true.

10-22-2015 , 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Question: If cop searches my car and the glove box is locked, does he need a warrant to open it?

Internet says yes, but I am curious if this is true.

why is the cop searching your car? did you consent to a search?

10-22-2015 , 08:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Question: If cop searches my car and the glove box is locked, does he need a warrant to open it?

Internet says yes, but I am curious if this is true.

By the internet, do you mean the lyrics of 99 Problems? The correct answer is no.

10-22-2015 , 02:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

why is the cop searching your car? did you consent to a search?

I would tell the cop no, but let's say he uses a K9 and gets access to my car as a lot of cops do.

10-22-2015 , 02:28 PM

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I can't imagine any situation where the cop has probable cause to search your car but doesn't have it to search the glove box. IANAL.

10-22-2015 , 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSwag

I would tell the cop no, but let's say he uses a K9 and gets access to my car as a lot of cops do.

So, your question is: If I transport my drugs in my locked glove compartment, am I 100% safe from a police search?

10-22-2015 , 03:06 PM

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Cop isn't going to be able to claim something in glove box was in clear sight. That's main benefit.

10-22-2015 , 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Question: If cop searches my car and the glove box is locked, does he need a warrant to open it?

Internet says yes, but I am curious if this is true.

As with a lot of things legal, I would guess that it depends on circumstances.

10-22-2015 , 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

So, your question is: If I transport my drugs in my locked glove compartment, am I 100% safe from a police search?

You're putting words into my mouth. I never said anything about drugs.

I was just curious about legality of a glove box search. Some people online claimed that a cop can search your car but need a warrant to go into a locked glove box.

10-22-2015 , 10:57 PM

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I'd say a cop can open a locked glove box... If you give consent to search the vehicle or the police have a search warrant that consent/warrant includes the trunk which is a locked compartment, I'd assume the glove box falls into the same category.

10-22-2015 , 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

If the police smell your weed they have probable cause and don't need a warrant.

10-22-2015 , 11:31 PM

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PeteMesquite

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Can SuperSwag please stop sucking at this thread?

10-22-2015 , 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMesquite

Can SuperSwag please stop sucking at this thread?

If you don't like it, then go to a different thread. Seems pointless to read a thread if you don't like what is being discussed.

just some advice.

10-23-2015 , 12:25 AM

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Seems like a fine and appropriate question imo

10-23-2015 , 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSwag

The starting assumptions are ****ed up. Cops *can* search your car.... IF

1) they have a warrant
2) they have your consent
3) they have probable cause

I don't see how any of those situations would exclude the glove box. Even if you try some fancy play like saying "I consent to a search of the entire car EXCEPT for the glove box" then the cop would argue that's probable cause to search the glove box and would almost certainly be vindicated in court.

10-23-2015 , 09:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

If you don't like it, then go to a different thread. Seems pointless to read a thread if you don't like what is being discussed.

just some advice.

hiding **** from the cops isn't what was being discussed, though. OOT is the appropriate forum for **** like that.

10-23-2015 , 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Did some further research and turns out you're wrong. They can't search your locked glove box even if they search your car. They need a warrant even if consent is given.

However this might depend on where you live I'm sure and laws in that area. But from what I read a sergeant said they can't.

I am curious if you say no and they use the K9 does that give them all access even if the K9 gives a false positive.

Interesting stuff either way.

10-23-2015 , 02:39 PM

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[citation needed]

10-23-2015 , 02:42 PM

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rjoefish

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Of course they can search if the dog hits, they would have no idea if it's a false positive.

Also, if they have consent to search a car, or cause to, I have no idea how a locked area would be magically excluded.

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