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Man faces 20 years in prison for posting on Craigslist calling on people to murder cops and burn down police stations.

http://www.local12.com/news/features...s-179996.shtml

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A Kentucky man who called for people to kill officers and burn police stations was locked up Monday night, August 3. Marvin Gee was charged with solicitation for murder of a police officer after a Craigslist post targeting officers. When the post hit Craigslist, many people found it alarming. A joint effort by law enforcement led police to the person who they believe posted it.

A Craigslist post directed people to target police and kill them. He called for police stations to be burned down, police officers to be shot and killed. He even specified to shoot them in the head and not in the chest.

A judge set Gee's bond at $500,000. At last check he was not able to make that bond and was still in jail.

08-04-2015 , 12:33 PM

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Seattle cop faces termination for arresting elderly black man for Walking While Carrying Golf Club

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/spd-notice/

08-05-2015 , 11:56 AM

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http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...htmlstory.html

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Police have said the officer fired in self-defense during a drug sting, but a subsequent autopsy seems to counter the officer’s claim that Hammond tried to hit him with a car.

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Hammond’s family asked an outside physician to conduct a second autopsy, and Bland made the results public Tuesday. In an interview with The Times, Bland said Hammond was shot in the "left rear shoulder, and through the back of his chest."

"The inescapable conclusion was that the bullets came through the side," Bland said. "They came through an open driver’s side window, which is not consistent with the officer saying, ‘I felt like I was going to be hit by the car.’"

Bland said he plans to release the autopsy report Wednesday morning.

08-05-2015 , 07:23 PM

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What in the holy **** at that golf club lady?!?!?

Honestly the most tilted i've been watching anything itt

08-06-2015 , 03:25 PM

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Love Sosa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Seattle cop faces termination for arresting elderly black man for Walking While Carrying Golf Club

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/spd-notice/

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Smith, in his comments Monday, said there is no evidence showing that Wingate did not swing the club.

Usually the people making outrageous claims are stuck with the burden of proof.

08-07-2015 , 10:33 AM

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hornbug

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Originally Posted by Love Sosa

Usually the people making outrageous claims are stuck with the burden of proof.

I was wondering about that. It was pretty early in the video that the cop said that the guy had previously swung the club.

So the story that the club was swung was on the record early in the incident (as opposed to added later on when someone might have the incentive to make up a story to embellish their case)

At the time it was said neither party had any reason to believe this incident would become a showdown between two stubborn people, so there was no motive to just randomly make up a story.

Just because it wasn't caught on camera does not make it untrue.

Given the timing of the claim a reasonable person could assume there is a good chance that it happened.

Police respond all the time to events that were not recorded. They would fail at their job if they had to verify that there is film evidence before they could intervene.

There is more to this case than what is on this video.

08-07-2015 , 10:40 AM

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hornbug

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Just watch the first minute of the video.

Does she start with "hey, how ya doing, why do you have a golf club?" as she would if she just saw a guy with a club?

No, she immediately requests him to put it down, as she would if she knew it was just used in a threatening way.

Second, you can't even see the club as she pulls over. Does she have x-ray vision to know its there? Of course not, she already knew he had it.

Third, she declares that she saw him swing it at her.

All this happens in the first minute. Pretty clear there was interaction between these two people before the start of this youtube video.

08-07-2015 , 11:19 AM

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I can't read anything you type just because the formatting tilts me too much.

08-07-2015 , 11:34 AM

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rjoefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

The claim is she circled back to him after he menacingly swung the club at her car or a stop sign when she drove by. The video is of her going back to confront him for whatever she said he did moments prior.

08-07-2015 , 11:52 AM

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So we have

-The racist cop

-Her union rep

-hornbug

on one side

-everyone else, including the department, it's independent investigators and the district attorney's office

on the other? That about right?

08-07-2015 , 11:54 AM

#4586

rjoefish

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You can't prove the public isn't on her side.

08-07-2015 , 11:59 AM

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Obviously not since there is no video

08-07-2015 , 01:04 PM

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hornbug

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I'm not on anyone's side.

I'm just evaluating the evidence, and as evidence the video makes no sense if there was no previous interaction between these two people.

Instead of trying to push an anti-cop or a pro-cop agenda, why don't we just try to figure out what is likely to have happened.

08-07-2015 , 01:52 PM

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PeteMesquite

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Maybe we can just look at the video before the incident. Ohh wait, they did. The video showed no interaction between the guy and the police officer.

08-07-2015 , 02:03 PM

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Look, if the liberal administrators weren't so into grabbing guns the dangerous black man wouldn't have had to carry a dangerous golf club /hornbug

08-07-2015 , 02:19 PM

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Get married, write bible verses or face jail time

http://www.kltv.com/story/29721876/j...face-jail-time

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In July, a Smith County judge sentenced Josten Bundy to get married to his 19-year-old girlfriend as part of his probation, which also included writing Bible verses and getting counseling.

08-07-2015 , 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Look, if the liberal administrators weren't so into grabbing guns the dangerous black man wouldn't have had to carry a dangerous golf club /hornbug

I wonder if that man's two basic arguments would work the same for a gun and a golf club:

"I own this weapon, I won't put it down because I own it"

"call somebody first before I put this weapon down"

08-07-2015 , 03:31 PM

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http://www.jetmag.com/news/man-claim.../#.VcUHLflVhBd

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The sister of an ex-convict charged with fatally shooting a Memphis police officer during a struggle says her brother was just trying to defend himself because the officer was manhandling him and being too aggressive.

Bold strategy, Cotton.

08-07-2015 , 03:37 PM

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and that it was parked illegally during a drug deal.

Well there's your problem.

08-07-2015 , 06:15 PM

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A good comparison between a white guy who was charged for making IEDs but not terrorism while having a bunch of white supremacist literature hanging up and being unable to explain how putting shrapnel in the IED was going to help blow up stumps while a Muslim guy is charged with terrorism for hateful speech (btw turned in by Muslims who didn't like his intolerant speech).

https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/08/0...ing-terrorist/

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I don’t fault Scott [the judge] that he didn’t mention the evidence that O’Neill was constructing bombs amid a bunch of white supremacist propaganda — he hadn’t been shown it or apparently even informed of it until he issued his opinion. But I find it notable that the prosecutors — and Hochul, who held a press conference upon the arrest of a guy who hadn’t done anything incriminating (at least according to the complaint) since February — didn’t mention this until this stage of the proceedings. And while Hochul commented publicly to the press, I don’t believe he had a formal press conference to highlight the guy making 7 bombs in his step-dad’s garage did so under the glare of the first Klan Grand Wizard.

O’Neill’s politically connected step-father, in whose garage he was assembling bombs right below Nazi and Klan paraphernalia, said “he didn’t know what O’Neill was doing and if he did, he would have alerted authorities,” which appears to make him far less attentive than the Muslims who reported Nagi’s belligerence. Judge Scott expressed some skepticism that Ross could miss both the explosives construction and the Nazi propaganda in clear view in his garage.

The US Attorney’s office says it is investigating O’Neill’s devices to see if they can determine where he learned to build the IEDs and whether they can determine precisely what “stumps” he had in mind for a target.

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We don’t yet know whether O’Neill has engaged in similar public hate speech (aside from the racist comment last summer that seems to have gotten him hospitalized); what has been mentioned so far is dead tree propaganda, nothing that would reflect interaction with others (his neighbors, at least, had no idea what he was doing in the garage at all hours of the night). Moreover, there is the added (inexcusable but predictable) factor that this guy was the step-son of a politically connected guy, which would lead prosecutors to exercise some caution about crying terrorism without a good deal of evidence.

Still, these two extremists were working their way through the same court room at the same time. The contrast between the two cases is instructive.

08-08-2015 , 05:22 PM

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Officer confronts man outside his house for filming the officer. Officer pulls his gun for some reason. No way this ends the way it does if the person filming is a non-white.

http://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/08/...s-gun-orig.cnn

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08-09-2015 , 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

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I saw that video, it's actually really disturbing. I think cell phones have really changed landscape of law enforcement. They can no longer get away with certain things because they don't know if people are filming them. I had a scary encounter with a cop couple years ago and if i had been filming with my cell phone i could have ****ed him over.

08-09-2015 , 04:07 AM

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It's kind of telling that some cops react with juvenile asinine BS that's impossible to explain without them being on a power trip.

08-12-2015 , 10:02 AM

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apropos

Washington deputy fired after victim's body camera proves deputy lied

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Urquhart noted that, in many instances, the word of an officer is not subject to independent confirmation.

“Rather, it stands on its own, backed only by the badge and the hard-earned goodwill of the department the officer represents,” he wrote. “Both the public, in general, and this office, in particular, grant you this broad authority essentially on a single condition, which is that you exercise it honestly, that you can be trusted. In the final analysis, it is the breach of this fundamental bargain that warrants, if not compels, discharge.”

Last edited by Namath12; 08-12-2015 at 10:16 AM.

08-12-2015 , 10:59 AM

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It was the bus driver that had the body camera. Police are gonna hate body cameras soooo much. Lying in sworn statements to ruin the lives of people who don't show the proper respect is just a routine part of their day. Like getting coffee for you and me.

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