Are you trolling the thread or do you honestly believe people who refuse to stop in that situation are doing so because of a broken taillight?

So basically anyone who runs is worth pursuing? Otherwise, they wouldn't run. All chases are justified by virtue of the fact that they are chases to begin with. Nice.

Not necessarily, but they're not running because they are in fear of what may happen to them if they're caught with a broken brake light either.

The line is somewhere in between. I'd love to have a mature discussion about where that line is. I can concede that their are bad chases. Do you believe there is ever a good police chase (short of kidnapping)?

I doubt it. People who want to have mature discussions don't lead off with "I'm not responding to you and your anti-gov bs". Much like people don't run from cops just because of broken taillights.

Sure. I've never said anything to the contrary (despite your "mature" attempts to stuff words into my mouth on multiple occasions).

Under what circumstances are you in support of police chases?

I'll obviously grant the second statement. However, before I can even pretend to have an intelligent discussion about this, I need to know where random runner dude falls on the scale. People do dumb things when faced with stressful/scary situations. The runner may be a murderer, but he also might be some idiot kid with a failure to appear warrant for some stupid misdemeanor. What's the assumption of how "dangerous" the runner is when you don't know anything more about him than he's a runner.

The appropriate ones, obviously.

Seriously, it doesn't matter. The point is (as previously stated) that your knee-jerk reaction to defend all police chases and paint anyone who speaks against them as "pro-ax-murderer" is a ****ing joke. And it's DEFINITELY not compatible with "having a mature discussion."

It's an unknown. That's a large part of the issue. Unfortunately, none of this ever comes out until the aftermath. I've apprehended both individuals who ran because they had no license and a FTA warrant, I've also apprehended an individual who turned out to be a triple murderer escaped from a state prison in another state.

What are your thoughts on the use of roadblocks as opposed to chasing?

Yea, not really what I said. Thanks for stopping by though.

I honestly don't have much knowledge about roadblock tactics. From what I understand, when they are used, cops leave a route open so the runner can get through if he's really desperate. That way a crazy bastard is less likely to ram cop cars. Personally I'd be fond of using this tactic combined with laying down spike strips just beyond the semi-road block in the most likely path the vehicle will take*. Obviously road blocks are hard on busy streets, but I'd assume cops are less likely to chase randoms on busy streets regardless.

*That just reads weird to me. I'm assuming cops wouldn't put a spike strip directly in the hole they purposely create because the suspect might see the strip and decide to ram a cop car anyway. So setting up a spike strip just beyond the roadblock where the driver is less likely to see it seems safer.

Let's ROLL THAT BEAUTIFUL BEAN FOOTAGE:

cliffnotes:

* assume guy is ax murderer

* "not interested in your anti-govt bs"

[x] stuff words in other people's mouths

[x] get offended when other people more accurately summarize your posts ITT

What are you complaining about pvn? Too many high speed car chases? Too few? More tact? Less tact? Lay out something instead of " What about the children??"

So long as they stay in moving cars and don't pull over we'll never apprehend them. DUCY?

Running from the police is suspicious and dangerous enough in and of itself to warrant chasing imo.

The question obviously becomes what is necessary dude.

I agree, but as soon as that topic comes up someone jumps straight to "WELL WHAT IF AN AX MURDERER DISAPPEARS INTO THIN AIR AND IS NEVER SEEN AGAIN"

So how bout instead of trolling you actually, you know, try to take some sort of position?

Well, the first point I was making was that there are legitimate reasons to chase.

Forgive the rest of us for not being able to read all the nuance into your well thought out, detailed response of "Probably, so what?"

Because the particular location of "that line" isn't really interesting. It's basically the same as having a thread about what the "correct" speed limit is or the "correctl" BAC level that should be permitted etc.

Yes, and your arguments in support of "there are legitimate reasons to chase" boiled down to "ANY reason is legit."

Here's a little anecdote that happened last year to a former client of mine (true story):

Cops here over the radio that someone was robbing a scrap yard of some scrap metal. They race toward the scrap yard (here is were there are differing versions, not that they make a heck of a lot of difference in the end). The cops say they had their lights and sirens on, wittensses say there were no sirens.

Cop SUV hits my client as he's crossing the street. He dies.

For what? To catch a couple of guys stealing 50 bucks worth of scrap metal?

AXE MUDERERS THO

here's a link:

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article...icleid/4429172

Unsurprising that a police officer and a few ignorant posters misunderstand PVN's perspective.

Which is?