I wish I could see dbl in action, link doesn't work for me.

Delete the http//www. in front of youtube in the link.

INAR, can you embed it for me? I'm on my phone right now and can't seem to make it embed.



Disregard

Here is a corrected link.
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Why the heck is that video on the internet? Does this guy just record mundane things and post them on youtube?

I remember (vaguely) thinking "What moron sees a police roadblock then intentionally turns around to drive through it?"

As to your question, it's alot more common than you think. Obviously based on the number of searches and hits, some cop going Rodney King on a guy is easier to locate than this crap, but there are plenty of people who record all their mundane encounters and put them on the web.

I've been recorded in people's homes before. I asked the woman "Are you recording me?" to which she smartly replied "Yeah, why do you have a problem with that, you ARE a public Servant after all!" to which I replied "Yes Ma'am, and speaking of public SERVANT, let's not forget you called me out to this residence, I didn't stop by for a chat".

She turned the camera off haha.

Just out of curiosity, what would have been your reaction had he politely answered your "where you coming from" question with "that's private"?

What if he had rudely answered with "none of your business"?

What would you have done had he sat there silently without answering your questions?

I really don't care how he answers that question, the point is to get them to say something so you can get a feel for their demeanor. I really don't care if they say "Grocery Store" or give me a 2 min speech about their civil rights. Honestly, I prefer the latter. You'll get alot more intel that way.

If he sits there silent, I'd basically just continue to **** with him, essentially act like I assume he can't hear me, until he says "Am I free to go?".

I'm looking for the smell of alcohol, nothing more.

Thanks for answering candidly.

I fear most cops would not react as well to any of those responses.

Dblbarrel,
Other thread got closed but you were talking about taping cops,my question is what if a cop is on my property with a search warrant,does the suspect have the right to video police on his own property?

I don't know. I wouldn't want to give you legal advice without knowing where you live, etc.

In most circumstances, it's not going to be possible for you anyway, unless you just happen to have a video camera in hand. The way we did search warrants was a room to room clearing of the house, where everyone in the house was moved into one room, where they could be supervised by one or two cops while everyone else searched.

This is absolutely constitutional and legal. It is a reasonable detention for a brief period when probable cause has already been shown criminal activity has occurred (We got a search warrant, didn't we?) Cell phones are also removed from occupants at this time, based on the discretion of the officer in charge. This is particularly done when dealing with suspects with known violent associates, to prevent ambushes/flash mobs etc, as well as when dealing with cases where we believe several parties are involved at several locations. Reasonable inconveniences may be made for the protection of evidence of criminal activity.

You being unable to post on Facebook from your IPhone for 45 minutes is a reasonable inconvenience when I have good cause to believe you or your friend Charlie are in possession of several thousand dollars of stolen goods.


Now, if you happen to have a video camera with you, I won't take it away from you, however I will smile and wave and needle you about it.

However, I said all that to say this: Consult a competent local attorney to assist you with that question.

On the subject of police videos, this is one of my all time favorites. I've used it in lectures I've given about Community Policing and Open Carry. Cop is totally tactically sound, completely safe, and behaves with class.

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Yes he is. I do wish the camera had been hidden better. If we have to have police that is how they should behave, so that seems to be a very good video for education.

edit to add: I am not advocating doing this, but how does this play out if Jeremy says its not loaded, but I prefer you don't look through my property?

California law at the time gave the officer authority to mandate inspection of the firearm. If he had refused to allow the officer to inspect the weapon, he would no longer be legally carrying.

BTW, open carry is no longer legal in California.

I'd assume, although I'm not positive, that his authority to search and clear that weapon is drawn from Terry v Ohio or something similar. I mean, in Terry, you can perform an exterior check for weapons. In this case, the cop accomplished the same task by doing a visual, rather than physical inspection, located a weapon, and cleared it for safety.

It is also worth noting that Jeremy was aware of his requirements under state law, after all, he was out fishing for a police encounter. To claim otherwise is naive (not saying you've claimed that, but I've seen those in the open carry movement swear up and down he wasn't. It's crap. The man is walking down a street, IN CALIFORNIA, with an exposed weapon. He's very well aware he's freaking out passersby, who are in turn dialing 911.)

Hell the reality of the situation is that he'd be a liar if he said he wasn't happy Matt stopped to talk to him.

I agree with what you have said here. I don't think it diminishes its educational value, but I think the officer was certain to be on his "best behavior" because this guy was looking for a police encounter, not looking to shoot someone. That is why I wonder how this plays out if it is someone open carrying for some other reason and then decides to assert his rights rather than someone open carrying just to see how the police do when they stop to talk to him.

Im confused by what you're asking. If someone's a threat to others, I don't want a well behaved cop. I want an *******. The times in my life I've been in truly threatening situations, I wasn't behaving in the way I was in that video I posted, it was much more like this video:
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I've dealt with open carriers in many different manners, it's just something you play by feel.

I used to deal with this old black man who was in his early 70's and open carried his old nickel plated Colt Python .357 Magnum in a big ass leather holster. They'd always send me out to deal with him because he'd give anyone else ****. I could never figure out why, then one day our Captain was out riding with me doing my evaluation and figured it out. Everyone else was coming up and immediately going to the gun, and telling him someone had called us out. I'd just roll up to whatever business he was at, kick up a casual conversation and bring the gun up later. After the 5th or 6th call, I quit bringing the gun up at all. The business owner would call, I'd go, talk to him literally just shooting the **** for three or four minutes, then we'd both leave. Business owner is happy, I've avoided confrontation, he's not mad because he doesn't know the cops were called on him, everyone wins. These situations require you to walk a fine line and play it by ear. Sometimes you're going "Hey Mr Smith, how you been doing? I see you got you some new tires on your truck!" and other times you're screaming "Put the gun up on the damn dash or I'll shoot your ass!"

I guess what I am asking is if someone is behaving in a lawful manner (open carry where open carry is permitted) why are the police bothering them? For example if you are screaming "Put the gun up on the damn dash or I'll shoot your ass!" at someone that is violating no law, why are you doing this? We are going back towards the old thread of a person sees the police (who are open carrying) coming towards his house and says "don't come on my porch with those guns."

edit to add: I went back and watched the video. That seems like a different situation because they have the driver out of the car, so it appears that there was some kind of law breaking going on. I am referring to a situation where someone is exercising his right to open carry; why are the police approaching such a person?

Because it's not legal for everyone to open carry. It's important to remember the police work for everyone. When someone calls and reports a suspicious person, the police have a duty to investigate.

The general issue is that to put what the police do in the proper perspective, when you watch a video, you must watch being mindful of only the information the police had at that time. Far too often the issue where posters and I disagree on police issues Is in regards to this. It's a serious public safety risk to assume everyone walking around with a gun exposed is legal, or means no harm.

As to the gun on the dash thing, a holstered gun is not a threat. At the beginning of the video, he says "What you got in your hand?" and he says "It's a gun", firstly that gun wasn't legal for that individual to possess and secondly he had a gun in his hand, a situation 100x more dangerous than a gun in the holster.

ETA: I'd estimate 95% of the time, when the police approach an open carrier, it's in response to a call. Cops don't routinely harass open carriers for the hell of it, they get dispatched out.

This is getting to the point of where I think the government is overstepping their bounds. If a community has decided it is ok to open carry, open carrying isn't suspicious. If someone calls and says this guy has a gun, go talk to the person calling to tell them the community has decided it is ok to carry a gun.

I have no problem with what I saw in that video.

Generally I tend to agree with you, however as I've said previously I see it as a tort reform issue moreso than a police overstepping their bounds issue. I'd love to live (and police btw) in a world where a 911 operator or dispatcher could make judgement calls such as telling such a caller "It's not against the law ma'am, and we're not dispatching an officer to that.". However, you'll never get a Chief/Sheriff to sign onto such a policy in today's litigious environment, and justifiably so IMO. I certainly wouldn't were I Sheriff.

Actually they don't.

Before I continue, is this a "Police only work for the elite" rant or a statement of "Dbl, you don't know what you're talking about, if I call 911 and say 'Hey, this guy in the green jacket at the park is acting suspicious and has a gun, can you guys come over here' they won't/don't have to do anything" argument?

Just want to be clear what I'm responding to.

The latter.

Well obviously I can't speak for every Dept in the world, but I've never seen one where that wasn't the case. **** at the dept I recently left any ******* could call the police on any other ******* for whatever reason and somebody got dispatched. You go out, ensure you've made contact with the reported party and leave.

Anyone can call the police on anyone in this great country of ours. The police certainly don't have to make an arrest or whatever, but they will show up.