Because clearly there is a disconnect of incentives that is causing this perpetual problem of police officers having little regard for the property of others. Additionally, private companies have to treat their customers well and uphold their reputation or they lose customers and lose revenue. They have to bow to the demands of the consumer. Police departments and officers do not. They receive funding no matter how poorly they treat you. The problem needs to be addressed.

And obviously the drug war is at the root of most of this and ending it would do far more to improve things than any other attempts to influence police behavior.

DBJ are you ever disgusted by stories like these? Do you think there's any justifiable reason for me to feel disgust?

Police Tie Up 62yr Old Man Then Pepper Spray Him To Death
No charges ever filed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nssw...ayer_embedded#!

Nah, not particularly disgusted by a story about a police Dept attempting to financially recoup an individual who has been wrongfully searched and his property damaged. There are worse things..

I'm disgusted by some stories that have come here, but not this particular one.

Agree.

This story disgusts me (a little). It would probably disgust me a lot more if it weren't so one sided.

I guess the most correct way to phrase my sentiments would be; if this is true, which I hold serious doubts there isn't much more to this than is being told, it disgusts me.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...charges-122911

cliffs: teenager gets her car keyed, posts about karma on facebook, gets charged with stalking (and suspended from school).

Would it ever be the correct procedure to pepper spray someone that is restrained?

That Facebook **** gets taken extremely seriously in high school now. I'd have to know more about the other surrounding circumstances before I just call out the cop here. If for example something happened to the girl they think did this, then 15 min later this girl is posting suspicious comments referencing karma, then you may have a case for this course of action, but the cop is probably wrong. Then again, the cops hands may very well have been tied, I don't know about FL, but in GA high schools they have what are referred to as School Resource Officers, which are in some jurisdictions the whipping boy of the school administration. In others, the SRO's behave essentially under the same chain of command as other cops, but as I said, it sucks in the areas where you're at the whim of school admins.

On another note, I certainly hope they're working so hard to uncover who in fact keyed her car.

Depends on your definition of restrained. If you mean in a restraint chair, then no. In handcuffs, yes. I've seen more than one cop hospitalized because they bought into the myth that someone in handcuffs can't hurt you.

FWIW, the claim that he was sprayed in the chair is one that I contest. It's a claim too absurd for me to take based on a single statement.

Dbl, the search issue comes down to this for me. If an officer doesn't get consent and is doing a terry pat then to my mind they are doing a simple pat down to look for weapons. Fluffy bags in pockets can not be misidentified as weapons. I suspect what happens all the time is that cops are aware of, and often trying to, identify drugs on a person. They use the terry pat (or worse try to pressure someone to consent to search by making them defensive and feeling like they don't have a choice to refuse) as an excuse to look for drugs. So it's a scam from the get go if that is happening.

You don't have to squeeze things in pockets to rule out guns and knives. If you can id weed in a pocket you sure as hell much more easily can id a gun or knife and it doesn't take much effort. So terry pat should stick to terry patting. Cops use terry pat to go fishing, that's not terry patting.

Smart cops? No thanks.

http://fapit.net/imgs/777/shrinkage.jpg

Your link is broken

Has this one already been posted and/or explained? Scroll to about the :55 second mark.

Wow. I'm actually most shocked by the fact that he didn't get out of the camera's line of site or destroy the tape afterward. If he actually filed possession charges against the driver and signed all the affidavits, he should be looking at a LENGTHY prison sentence (maybe 2-3x what the driver would have gotten if convicted on the coke). I'm sure that won't happen, but this is the worst kind of dirty cop and he needs to be made an example of.

Thought this was interesting as well. Didn't know whether to put it here or in a drug thread.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/...00325/-1/rss36

looks to me like he pulled out an evidence bag and filled it...

I'm no expert though

It looks to me like there's something in the bag when he pulls it from his pocket. Empty evidence bags don't look like that.

In Canada, we have the same laws.

Six years ago, I was helping a friend trim up his crop. There was six of us there. I leave to get lunch for us and when i come back and pull in the driveway,the cops are there. I get charged for production of a controlled substance, and possession for the purpose of trafficking.

Here, we get a preliminary trial before the actual trial where a justice of the peace or judge determines if there is sufficient evidence to proceed with an actual trial. It was determined in my case that the evidence was not sufficient to even make it to trial. I was let off and I thought that my troubles were over.

Then about a year ago, I get a letter in the mail stating that the government is initiating proceedings to confiscate my house under the civil forfeiture act. It is several years after I got off and they come at me with this.

I go see a lawyer and he tells me that nobody has ever beat one of these in BC. He says negotiating is possible but strongly recommends against me fighting it all the way. So now, it looks like a best case scenario for me is to give the government 60% of the equity in my house after also giving my lawyer 10k.

it will get pled down

Jeez. This would make me go Rambo.

It depends upon how much pleasure you get out of the first few test sprays, LDO.

Just found out I've been on YouTube for a while and didn't realize it. Typical oppressor IMO.

Video proof

I'm getting link fail. Are you ****ing with me?

Edit: Got it to work. That guy has the loudest blinker in the world.

Edit2: Holy crap, you talk as redneck as I do.

Edit3: You didn't hit him or pepper spray him or anything. Are you sure this wasn't fabricated?