Law and Order 2 - Page 107 - Politics and Economics

Were you honestly under the impression there were certain groups of people who could SHOOT GUNS AT THE POLICE and the police would not return fire?

This is news to you?

02-19-2013 , 05:23 PM

#2653

AngusThermopyle

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

Apparently there are no ones you aren't supposed to shoot any more - just exterminate the whole neighbourhood and go have beers with your buddies.

Rule of Life #43.B.2.iv

If you aim a gun at somebody, be prepared for the consequences.

02-19-2013 , 05:24 PM

#2654

will1530

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

There is no 'us' will1530. I'm not on some whiny hippie team. If my opinions bother you, please do feel free to use the ignore button.

No, I've found it's much better to call out the conspiritards than simply ignore them.

02-19-2013 , 05:25 PM

#2655

OmahaFanatical4

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I don't begrudge anyone the right to self defense - even pigs. On the other hand I find the idea of using pictures of pregnant women and little children for target practice to be utterly repugnant.

02-19-2013 , 05:27 PM

#2656

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

I don't begrudge anyone the right to self defense - even pigs. On the other hand I find the idea of using pictures of pregnant women and little children for target practice to be utterly repugnant.

Well sure, but even I said that the approach was ham fisted and ignorant.

You appeared to have a problem with the idea of the training, not the method.

02-19-2013 , 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Also, to answer your other question, it'd still fall back on responsibility and authority.

Since theatre security have no right to detain for misdemeanor criminal acts (Trespass in this case), they'd need to show they were being threatened, rather than show he was resisting lawful custody.

Just so I'm clear, your job description plays a big role in your culpability for taking actions that result in the death of handicapped people?

So...I mean...if I'm that pimply 18 year old kid, why wouldnt I just ask them to throw something in my employment contract (napkin) about how I'm responsible for defending the virtue of the theater against any and all threats, foreign or domestic?

Why would I wanna open myself up to liability when I inevitably kill some MR kid (**** happens)?

02-19-2013 , 08:30 PM

#2658

vhawk01

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As a Murrican I feel at least some responsibility for ensuring the safety and continued Democracy of my more perfect Union, so I mean, how ape**** am I allowed to go on a litterer?

02-19-2013 , 08:32 PM

#2659

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And just so I get to post three in a row:

I think its important to consider the quality of officer we are talking about who is moonlighting as SECURITY for a REGAL CINEMA (though it was in Baltimore)

02-19-2013 , 08:41 PM

#2660

DblBarrelJ

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This theatre security crap is incredibly standard.

Beyond that, A- trolling IMO.

02-19-2013 , 09:06 PM

#2661

DblBarrelJ

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I just got an interesting e-mail. You people are gonna be pissed when you read Florida v Harris.

02-19-2013 , 09:12 PM

#2662

OmahaFanatical4

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dogs writing search warrants? no big deal.

02-19-2013 , 09:13 PM

#2663

DblBarrelJ

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Yea, there's something wrong with that ruling, but I don't think that's actually what's occurring here.

02-19-2013 , 10:54 PM

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http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/rise-praetorian-class

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As the Praetorian Class ascends, the clear, albeit unstated, message that emerges is that actions and events in the Economic Class only occur with its tacit consent. Whether driving on roads, traveling in the air, visiting public land, walking down the street or even living in your own home, every action you take is predicated on its permission. By preconditioning the populace to enforcement of its edicts, most of which are completely arbitrary, the Praetorian Class sets itself up for a high degree of autonomy in its actions. This is confirmed by the fact that consequences for malfeasance within the Praetorian Class are almost never observed, and when it happens, it typically becomes a grotesque spectacle in which one of their own is sacrificed as an example, so as to keep appearances of effective internal controls.

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As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service.

Naturally, as the members of the Praetorian Class socially distance themselves from both their origins and their masters, even though they are paid to do their bidding, a new group identity among them emerges. Adoption of this group identity, forged by the training, indoctrination and work, defines membership in the Praetorian Class. Some of the characteristics of this identity include:

Viewing everything and everyone according to a perceived threat posture. The members’ thought processes, beliefs and actions center on viewing the world through a paradigm of a graduated conflict spectrum and how to posture themselves accordingly. Even in the most mundane settings, their conversations tend to be awkward if not centered on their martial duties.

Tight internal socialization. Because they view life through a martial paradigm, members tend to socialize almost exclusively amongst themselves. Immediate family members are expected to do the same, which naturally occurs anyway as they can share experiences that external relationships simply are unable to address.

Loyalty is the highest honor. Whether referred to as the blue wall of silence or the brotherhood in arms, even the most egregious transgressions are buried. If the misdeeds are internal, meaning member versus member, the justice is handled internally. On the other hand, external missteps are typically swept under the rug and significant chicane is experienced by outsiders who seek to learn the truth.

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The emergence and rise of the Praetorian Class is a common observation in societies that have transitioned from market-based meritocracies to societies governed by coercive syndicates formed by the Political Class. The Praetorian Class is formed and grown to defend the Political Class and in time becomes the dragon that rules its master. It represents a highly disturbing trend because it foretells the decline, not the advance, of a society. In some instances, the decline is peaceful, clearing the path for an improved future. Unfortunately, in many instances that is not the case. The Political Class leverages the full force of the Praetorian Class representing significant loss in wealth, personal freedom and, in many cases, human life. For this reason, it is critical that productive members of society take steps to protect themselves.

02-23-2013 , 01:31 AM

#2665

Aptronym

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Originally Posted by Brad Childress

http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/rise-praetorian-class

Spot on.

02-24-2013 , 02:30 AM

#2666

vaya

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Come on now, that's just not fair. Not everyone can score high enough on an aptitude test to be a janitor.

02-24-2013 , 03:34 AM

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DblBarrelJ

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I find something comically strange about the fact that you guys live in areas so removed from normal customs that you're unaccustomed to seeing police at theaters.

02-24-2013 , 11:58 PM

#2668

OmahaFanatical4

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http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/2125...caine-pay-offs

02-25-2013 , 12:27 AM

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Today while driving to Burger King due to the munchies I saw what appeared to be two teenagers maybe early 20s getting pulled over right in front of a smoke shop. The image they presented was only asking to get pulled over by your standard 1950s Alabama police officer. ... with their loud rap music or hippy music and weird hats. But I thought this was 2013 and all people are to receive equal treatment regardless of personal preferences so long as they do not harm others.

3 police cars took up the entire lane of the st, mind you the st is two very narrow lanes.

I could not help but laugh at the situation, yet I did want to pull up behind the police officer and ask him why are you wasting my tax money on useless work. Its not going to benefit the community and the ultimate result is negative for both the victim and aggressor

In a few years cannabis will be legal in most states and police officers will at least be able to concentrate more on real police work which many city's are in desperate need of .

02-26-2013 , 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

I find something comically strange about the fact that you guys live in areas so removed from normal customs that you're unaccustomed to seeing police at theaters.

I don't think i've ever seen police at theaters. Is there a lot of intra-movie violence in Georgia or something?

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Originally Posted by thekid345

Um, it could have been a guy with warrants out or something.

02-26-2013 , 11:21 AM

#2671

thekid345

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

I don't think i've ever seen police at theaters. Is there a lot of intra-movie violence in Georgia or something?

Um, it could have been a guy with warrants out or something.

Yea my bad, my post of wreaking of minimal detail.

Although i did notice a bong of some sorts on the hood of the kids car, along with a drug task force cop car. Coupled with the fact they were directly outside a smoke shop. But it could have been anything tho. I was just trying to hit on the massive waste of resources drug stops come with. As in possessing a few grams of cannabis or coke , especially the latter lol

02-27-2013 , 03:02 AM

#2672

OmahaFanatical4

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http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/26/ma...r-letting-go-o

02-27-2013 , 03:18 AM

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Sergio Alvarez, Sacramento Police Officer, Allegedly Raped Women While On Duty

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...usaolp00000003

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West Sacramento Police say former officer Sergio Alvarez was using his authority to assault and rape at least six women while on duty. Some of the incidents reportedly occurred inside a patrol car.

Alvarez was put on administrative leave in September when a woman came forward with allegations of misconduct. An investigation revealed at least six alleged victims, ranging in age from 20 to 47, and Alvarez was fired and arrested. He is reportedly married with three young children.