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03-12-2012 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
We're non union, but it sounds about right...

My issue is, having never been involved in a police union, I have no idea how adversarial the relationship between union leaders and police commanders is.
Again, I'm surprised. I incorrectly believed that all large agencies are organized. My understanding of the relationship was second hand, and dated by a few decades now, but I did get to hear quite a bit about grievances and such from my cop friends back in the day.

Basically in SoCal, everything was handled a grievance. But if the brass though a rank-and-file cop was abusing the grievance process they would end up being career sidetracked into a dead-end (never get promoted, be cut out of the "good" shifts, and left off of the OT gravy train). But some of the things that went on, particularly with the lack of accountability (taping over names and badge numbers), and the OT gravy train, were obviously a matter of tacit cooperation between the union and command.
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...I can't recall where at the moment but I remember MissileDog not too long ago reporting attending some type of rally/protest/gathering and having two vastly different experiences with two different law enforcement agencies that share the same jurisdiction.
I try to remind the Occupy kids of this all the time. Especially with all the "mutual aid" (which is a correct, while being heavily ironic use of the term to us) that agencies in SoCal practice, we could witness any number of agencies involved in enabling our rights and/or suppressing an action. People that try to lump "the police" into one monolithic organization, and claim they never act to enable our rights to assemble and speak... these people are paranoid delusional and are basically refusing to learn of reality.
03-12-2012 , 07:50 PM
Here in GA the only organized agency that I'm aware of is Atlanta Police, although the State Patrol I think have some type of organizational something going on over there, but don't call it a "union" or they'll get pissy.

We have FOP lodges here, but they really don't have large numbers. Most people that do join aren't as interested in the organizing and lobbying as they are in the excellent death & dismemberment plan.

As for my specific experiences doing large crowd events, I've handled a bomb dog at G8, so I was far off the "riot line".

We had the lovely ****heads from Westboro Baptist Church come to town during a Marines funeral, 13 brain dead morons against a crowd of 2500+ locals who wanted their heads, with me right in the middle. I wasn't issued the robosuit for that btw, just a big fire extinguisher sized can of OC spray, which I never used.

Then we had 300 HS students stage a walk out of the local HS in protest of an immigration law, which wouldn't have been a crowd control issue had they not all decided to have an impromptu march down a main road, which we cut off before someone got hit by a car, and herded them all back to the HS parking lot without incident. Some shouting, no violence. I was complained on. A girl asked me for a ride back to the school and I said "Did you walk down here?" she said "Yea" I said "then walk your ass back".

I was complained on for being "insensitive to a person's disability".

Commanders made the judgement call being fat isn't a disability, no matter how bad your legs are hurting.

So that's the experience I have with crowd control.
03-12-2012 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
...We had the lovely ****heads from Westboro Baptist Church come to town during a Marines funeral, 13 brain dead morons against a crowd of 2500+ locals who wanted their heads, with me right in the middle. I wasn't issued the robosuit for that btw, just a big fire extinguisher sized can of OC spray, which I never used...
They call those fire extinguishers "party packs" in SoCal. I always wondered about these kinda protests, similar to when the Nazi's wanna parade AFAIK. I'm guessing that the police set up dual lines, or in this case perhaps a line for the counter protesters, and a small squad to escort the 13 morons to their assigned "protest pit". Do these morons realize that they are being enabled and protected? Do they thank the police? Or do they act all pissy and complain?
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... I was complained on. A girl asked me for a ride back to the school and I said "Did you walk down here?" she said "Yea" I said "then walk your ass back". I was complained on for being "insensitive to a person's disability"...
LOL. How about "I'll call your parents so they can call you a cab".
03-12-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MissileDog
They call those fire extinguishers "party packs" in SoCal. I always wondered about these kinda protests, similar to when the Nazi's wanna parade AFAIK. I'm guessing that the police set up dual lines, or in this case perhaps a line for the counter protesters, and a small squad to escort the 13 morons to their assigned "protest pit". Do these morons realize that they are being enabled and protected? Do they thank the police? Or do they act all pissy and complain?
Here's what you get from WBC:



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Originally Posted by MissileDog
LOL. How about "I'll call your parents so they can call you a cab".
I had to make it very quick because we very quickly realized maybe 100 of these kids actually gave a damn about immigration, the rest just wanted to skip school. We decided if they were gonna protest, we were gonna make them stand out in the sun and protest, not just join in with the walkout then bail and go home and sit on Facebook.
03-12-2012 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Here's what you get from WBC:
it is amazing to me that no one has offed some of these scumbags. I see how cops can keep them safe from the ass beating they deserve but not from a .308 ~1/2 a mile out.
03-12-2012 , 09:46 PM
I've often thought the same thing. My thinking is they don't want to risk hurting us.
03-13-2012 , 11:52 AM
More WBC good times...

03-14-2012 , 02:19 PM
for my pal DBJ

03-14-2012 , 02:47 PM

IMO
03-14-2012 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

IMO
"sounds like your friend Kenny's high on drugs kid. Do you do drugs? Did you sell Kenny the drugs? HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD,STOP RESISTING!!" BBBZZZZZTTTTT


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03-14-2012 , 03:01 PM
What Johnny doesn't know is that when Kenny said he met Spiderman, he was referring to me, rappelling off the roof off the school in a bad ass rappelling demo.

Because see, it's been statistically proven that cops doing cool tricks with dogs and SWAT gear at an Elementary school lowers the risk of later drug use. I guess on the premise that they see me rappel off the school and send a K9 to hit a guy in a bite suit, as they are about to hit that joint the summer between 8th and 9th grades in Timmy's basement, they think "OH ****, DBJ may come after us if we do this!" then they put the weed down, have a prayer circle and all graduate Harvard Law.

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03-14-2012 , 03:05 PM
step away from the BudLight and go find us some simunition rigs so we can shoot each other and post it up on the 2+2
03-14-2012 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
I had to make it very quick because we very quickly realized maybe 100 of these kids actually gave a damn about immigration, the rest just wanted to skip school.
Good thing you brought your PATRIOT Act approved mind-reading devices.
03-14-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Good thing you brought your PATRIOT Act approved mind-reading devices.
Our minds? Yea. I'm glad we were functioning that day as well. Hate those days when I go brain dead zombie and can't figure out the basic psychological mindset of a 15 year old..

04-18-2012 , 05:01 PM
Hmmm, you run a real website and you use the term "beatdown"? low class imo

Also, awesome work by the lady officer.
04-18-2012 , 08:21 PM
When called to see a mentally disturbed kid whose family called you to help, you are supposed to just shoot and kill him.
04-24-2012 , 12:50 AM
Agree 100%. I hate when I get nit picked for speeding.
04-24-2012 , 09:14 AM
who the **** is going to pay to read the po-dunk dallas n00z?
04-24-2012 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
who the **** is going to pay to read the po-dunk dallas n00z?
lol whoops. It was ungated yesterday.
04-25-2012 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bremen
Agree 100%. I hate when I get nit picked for speeding.
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Originally Posted by AP
The Latino Peace Officers Association objected to officers disciplined for driving over the speed limit while responding to calls for help from other officers.



Here's an open link btw.
04-25-2012 , 04:50 AM
I have very good reasons for why I speed as well.

A couple years ago two cops here (Allentown, PA) collided while responding to a request for help. Killed a ~5 yr old kid. IIRC all that came of it was one got nit-picked for a small traffic fine.
04-25-2012 , 04:54 AM
So are you stating people getting stabbed/shot at/raped is why you speed?

As an aside, you just hate all cops or you seriously believe anytime anyone has an honest traffic accident and someone dies(no criminal negligence present) they should face jailtime?

What should've happened IYO I guess is my question.
04-25-2012 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bremen
I have very good reasons for why I speed as well.

A couple years ago two cops here (Allentown, PA) collided while responding to a request for help. Killed a ~5 yr old kid. IIRC all that came of it was one got nit-picked for a small traffic fine.
I'm okay with cops speeding to respond to dangerous situations. As long as they have their lights on. Driving really fast is dangerous but I think it's a tradeoff worth making to get the police where they need to be ASAP in emergencies.

      
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