Why would he take her to a substation? It said he wanted to complete his paperwork before taking her to jail? It seems like that could have been done in his car or at the jail. It just doesn't seem like an officer should be parading someone in custody to a place that does not have have a secure holding facility, unless he was taking her there for unprofessional reasons.

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How is that a justified amount of force? By that standard shooting her in the head in the same situation is justifiable.

No, a taser and a gun are not the same Einbart.

This is an unfortunate situation for sure, but with her cuffed behind her back, the exact same outcome could have occured had he tackled her.

Could have but it's not nearly as likely to. Tackling someone you're controlling the energy as it goes to the ground, giving you some chance to dissipate it. This is just begging for her to fall flat on her face on the pavement.

Not the same as a gun, but irresponsible and deadly choices by the cop here.

Pretty sure "software" is gonna be the reason he didn't do it at the jail, and I'll grant you the car thing, but I don't want to be sitting in my car for 45 minutes or so alone with an arrested female suspect, that's just asking for trouble anyway.

On that same note, if you had to spend approximately 1/2 an hour to 45 min typing a report, would you prefer to do it in an officer chair on a desktop computer or in a car on a laptop? I certainly prefer the former, most cops I know do too.

I've tackled a few people handcuffed before, had one that could have come the exact same way. He actually did end up with some pretty serious facial issues, so it clearly could have ended the same. Guess I just ran better.

The point is I see nothing here that shows any malice. I disagree that he could have saw this coming. It's a freak accident.

I'd also disagree that he's statistically that much more likely to cause this particular freak outcome using a taser vs using a tactic such as tackling. You do this 100x, I'd bet 85 of them come out injury free and the other 15 end up with cuts and bruising. You may get some variance and get a broken nose.

You'd probably have to recreate this scene at least 100k times to create another traumatic brain injury outcome.

Since you're just making up numbers say something cool, like "one billion times."

I'm sure you misclicked "Post" too early and you have scientific tests which refute my guesstimates that will be posted any moment Eric?

No, but I'm not pretending to put some sort of precision on my wild ass guess. Why 100k rather than 10k or 1000k?

I've never been a cop but I've played a little backyard tackle football. If someone is that much smaller than you you should be able to tackle them and do a roll on the ground to dissipate most of the energy. Especially considering she is going to be slowed by the handcuffs.

With the taser, she falls flat onto the ground from 5 feet up.

I guesstimate tasering her is 10x as likely to cause head injuries as tackling her. Now refute my numbers.

100K seems a bit high, since getting tased will end up with you hitting the deck as fast as possible (and no way to brace because they're handcuffed), at least from what I've seen. It's certainly a freak outcome and very unfortunate, but the girl shouldn't have dashed either (Or been a horrid driver). I do think the cop could have tried something else given he was so close to her, but a taser is most certainly non deadly force, so it was completely justifiable.

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I don't even see why everyone thinks tackling is necessary here.

Honestly, I don't think that fella could have tackled her at that point. Once she got a step on him that foot race is over. Look at the size of that guy...he's built for comfort, not for speed.

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Well, according to this link over 2 million humans have been tasered, so now I just have to find out how many traumatic brain injuries have occurred. As for your estimate, regardless of its correctness, I'd say you must factor in all injuries.

If he has a .02% chance of traumatic brain injury, but a 12% chance of dislocating her shoulder with the tackle, should he do it in your opinion?

Point on kidnapping?

She should be able to leave at will?

Perhaps I'm missing something...

Okay you know those numbers don't mean anything because all those tasered weren't in the same conditions.

If tackling significantly decreases the risk of head injury but significantly increases the risk of shoulder injury, it is better imo.

Tasering a handcuffed person running over asphalt or concrete should be considered deadly force. The fact that it's not is just gross.

Go on...

For those who don't know, this is a good working definition of deadly force.

In this situation we have a pretty simple physics problem:

Pressure = Force/Area = (Mass*Acceleration)/Area

and guess what, the area if impact is pretty damn small when your cranium bounces off of concrete.

Look, the point is that there really are no hard studies. Obviously I was just being an ass. Of the 2 mil people who've been tased, the HIGH number I found was 535 deaths. Many of those are highly contentious at that.

That means we're talking roughly 1:3800 dies if we're just buying the anti police website jargon hook line and sinker.

The reality is probably much lower. Now obviously no one is gonna volunteer to get tasered while sprinting across concrete handcuffed enough times to make a case study, so we simply have to estimate. Now, if we're going to go into a debate on whether or not he was morally justified in chasing her, I'll leave that to you guys.

But working on the assumption that he was legally justified in needing to capture her, GL attempting to prove a better option.