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If you are causing a disturbance the police are gonna show up to arrest you. If you resist the police are going to use force.

The cop in question might be an *******, but it really bugs me how every article I read talks about the "innocent females".

09-29-2011 , 05:09 PM

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NYPD Caught On Camera Punching #OccupyWallStreet Protestor In The Face

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09-30-2011 , 04:25 PM

#105

bkholdem

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Originally Posted by daca

There's a selection bias there. Prisoners are probably much more likely to report it when they are raped by guards than when they are raped by other inmates. The vast majority of prison rapes are probably still inmate on inmate imo.

Agreed.

09-30-2011 , 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

There's also the issue that inmates don't really have the "right" to consent to sex, so all consensual sex between inmates and guards as well as consensual sex between inmates is considered rape.

Also, many times inmates will consent to sex with each other then due to "rep" issues will claim rape.

Not saying violent Oz type rapes don't occur in prison but it's not as often as those statistics show.

I'd be interested in hearing more from you. I friend of mine ran the gang unit in one of our max security prisons for a number of years and I have learned a lot about what prison life is like from him but any additional info is appreciated. Do you think that guys doing like 5 years or less will consent to being someone's bitch because of free choice? What about lifer's? Do inmates freely choose to be 'catchers' and not pitchers?

09-30-2011 , 04:29 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by BigPoppa

One thing worth mentioning: our system seems expressly designed to turn non-violent offenders who ****ed up once or twice into violent career felons unable to function on the outside. Everything about how prisoners have to act on the inside to simply survive makes it ever more difficult for them to assimilate once they get out.

I, for one, would like to see community service (legit community service, like digging ditches and cleaning garbage off Interstates; not the BS musicians and athletes end up doing) become the norm for first time non-violent offenders. Barring that, they should at least never ever be housed with violent felons.

Agreed big time. The system is whack. If I were to go to prison I would have to join a gang and do stuff for a gang. Im no angel but I don't do random violence. In prison it is a requirement.

09-30-2011 , 04:33 PM

#108

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

I'm a little curious as to how you think the typical case plays out where an inmate accuses a guard of rape without rock solid evidence. I think what happens is some combination of nothing and guards retaliating against the prisoner.

I can't speak to this specifically, and without revealing too much I know of a case where a prisoner accused a guard (and other guards) of misconduct. Due to circumstances that occured prior to him being incarcerated he won the case (he did some shiat to the guards). I know for a fact his story is bs and he won because he knew enought to know what would 'look good' on paper and would seem to give the guards clear motive to do stuff to him.

Kind of like a child molester showing up at a lawyers office all beat up and claiming that the father of the child he was convicted of molesting beat him up.... pfft.

09-30-2011 , 04:35 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

See my earlier post. Of course male inmates have a higher "staff victimization" rate, because under the parameters of the study, if a male inmate seduces a female guard and ends up having consensual sex with her, he's just been "victimized".

Don't hate the playa hate the game lol

09-30-2011 , 04:39 PM

#110

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Oh, well disregard. I just assumed it was the PREA study. If it's a survey, conducted on convicts, without collaboration, anonymously at that, I'm uninterested in any results. I'd guess in a "study" with that level of control, at least 45% of convicts could fly and at least 75% have won at least one fistfight with a guard, in an effort to protect his reputation.

I don't know about this but I have a friend who was a prison guard for close to 20 years and believe him (and if you know me I'm way more against the police in this politics forum than for them...although I do think their hero's for putting themselves in situations between a victim and an aggressor....it's the politicians that make them do bull crap traffic stops and search for drugs and whatnot...that cops often buy into with glee..which I am totally against) but back to the point my former prison guard friend told me 'all the convicts are looking for a law suit'.. while I think that's an exaggeration I do beleive the sentiment.

09-30-2011 , 04:40 PM

#111

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Originally Posted by TheQuietAnarchist

DblBarrelJ is an apologist and not really worth listening to, given the ludicrous stories he is trying to pass off here as though they represent the "norm". It's clear that he disregards self-reporting by people in prison, likely because he's not willing to concede that they are people in the first place, and is "uninterested in any results". Note, for example, that prisoners report both consensual and non-consensual sex with guards, showing that they are more than capable of distinguishing between the two. But DblBarrelJ is "uninterested." His attitude towards women speaks for itself.

The survey bobman linked is worthwhile reading for anyone interesting in the subject. MSNBC viewing is not.

I disagree. I've butted heads with dblbarrelj before but think he's being realistic in this thread, at least from what I have read thus far...

09-30-2011 , 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

So your opinion on the subject is what, that the prison system is just overflowing with sadistic homosexual serial raping guards who roam the prison looking for fresh meat?

If a male guard ever actually raped a male inmate, it would be such an oddity that it would make at least regional, if not national news. Here is a study showing such events are commonplace, which I believe requires some 3rd party evidence, such as convictions, rape kits, at the bare minimum a formal grievance filed by the inmate.

It is at least a reasonable belief to assume that female inmates are raped by male guards on occasion, although I'd wager no where near as often as reported. But to believe that male inmates are raped by guards on a statistical level of anything lower than the odds of winning the lottery and being struck by lightning in the same day is an absurd position.

I generally agree with this. I would say that guards abuse their power (not all of course) and use excessive force on a regular basis, just like I believe cops do, in situations where they get angry and dont know how to act professional..but rape???

09-30-2011 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

DBJ, how would you feel about having a camera in your uniform that recorded everything you do all day?

Could save your ass in a he said/she said situation no?

*Not that I think DBJ's opinion would be universal as he's far better than the average cop and infinitely better than a dirty cop

Agreed. He doesn't simply tow the cop blue shield line that a lot of cops do. Everyone's views are going to be biased by some degeee but I for one am thankful to have him here. He has opposed another cop's view on at least one occasion that I am aware of so consider him to be one of the 'good cops'. No one is perfect and I'm sure it's not easy to be the only, or one of the only, cops in this forum openly sharing they are cops and sharing their views so, IMHO I think he should be given a break.

09-30-2011 , 04:53 PM

#114

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Originally Posted by RR

This is a market problem. There is no incentive to make the clip stronger because the user of the clip (the police) don't want a stronger clip. If they wanted a stronger clip, it would be made.

I could happen. The problem with making it happen is that you would need to get 1,000 people to protest outside the 20 biggest police stations in the country day in and day out for a couple of months. I don't know enough rich people who don't want or need to work to make that happen... this is the crux of the problem. Try and organize the poor who are on welfare and they go off and drink beer after a day or two...

09-30-2011 , 04:55 PM

#115

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

You truly feel that in this specific situation the user of the clip is the front line officer?

In other words, if you produced this product, your marketing campaign would be aimed at front line law enforcement?

I know where it would most likely be aimed, and I doubt it would be aimed at the street officer, in the way Blackhawk and Galco market to street cops.

Don't get mad at dblbarrelj for speaking the honest truth. He could disguize it and use misdirection if he were a bad cop but he doesn't.

09-30-2011 , 04:58 PM

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2+2 crab leg fiesta anyone?

10-20-2011 , 01:39 PM

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Inmate's parole revoked for breaking rule against using cell phones, faces 5 more years

10-20-2011 , 02:02 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1015541.html

10-30-2011 , 05:22 PM

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Gunpoint Arrest of Cop Going 120 MPH in Cop Car (kinda meh)
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10-30-2011 , 07:36 PM

#120

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Inmate's parole revoked for breaking rule against using cell phones, faces 5 more years

I know most people on the forum will not believe it, but this is an EXTREMELY high security breach and a threat to staff safety as well.

You may play this off as it's something similar to "Got caught with a cigarette", but I look at it much more like "Got caught with a knife".

Honestly, I'd prefer an inmate to have a knife than a cell phone. With a knife, he can cut me. With a cell phone, he can firebomb my home, have my children kidnapped from school, or have me shot in the parking lot. He can also arrange escapes with the cell phone. This is a serious, legitimate issue and it is a rule that is put in place for a very good reason. I agree with the Parole board on this one.

10-30-2011 , 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Anyone with the street authority to get this done will be able to do it with or without a phone.

10-30-2011 , 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Case Closed

Anyone with the street authority to get this done will be able to do it with or without a phone.

The point is SOMEONE needs a phone to do this. In prison, it's usually not these street bosses who are ensuring these communications are getting out themselves, since they can't because they live under far too much scrutiny for that. it's low threat types like this guy who no one is watching or suspecting who are getting these hits and escape plots out to the streets.

The Parole board and the prison system are no doubt aware of this and that's the reasoning behind this strong response from them.

In GA it's a 5 year felony whether you're an officer or an inmate if you get caught with a cell phone inside a GA prison.

10-30-2011 , 07:54 PM

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Some people would use a cell phone to murder my wife and children, therefore let's impose draconian penalties on those who use cell phones to call their families and tell them they're coming home.

10-30-2011 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BornToPun

Some people would use a cell phone to murder my wife and children, therefore let's impose draconian penalties on those who use cell phones to call their families and tell them they're coming home.

Do you believe we should sell guns to those inmates who desire to have them?

10-30-2011 , 08:33 PM

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No. But I believe if a man, mere days away from being released, was found with a gun in his cell but it was convincingly shown that the only reason he had the gun was to call his family and give them the good news then it would be punitive to give him 5 more years.

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