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I never watched it either outside of bits and pieces and clips on the internet. My father, a lifelong Democrat, was totally into it. One time I got into a political discussion/argument with him and he cited some "facts" which turned out to be things that happened on West Wing. It was a pretty engrossing fantasy world.

06-02-2017 , 11:46 PM

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Hell of a show

06-03-2017 , 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

On the Economist and being a paper of reputation

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/...onomist-thinks

the economist has better foreign coverage than basically any other media source. and it's not just free market dogma either. the leaders/opinions can be a bit on autopilot, but they're good/decent on most stuff too.

06-03-2017 , 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by An_Reathai

Here in Ireland, we're about to get our first openly gay Taoiseach (Prime Minister), who also happens to be the son of an immigrant. In a country where both homosexuality and divorce were banned until the 1990s, we've come a long way!

Just a shame he's such a ****.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

That's pretty remarkable. I would have figured Ireland would be the last country to have a gay PM.

Miracles are possible when you gin up economic resentment using dodgy figures.

06-03-2017 , 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I thankfully never watched the West Wing. I doubt I could go back and watch it now.

The Chapo two-parter on it and The Newsroom were spectacular. I mean I'm considering re-listening to the Newsroom one, it was that amazing.

06-03-2017 , 11:03 AM

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arguetron continues its near 100% tweet accuracy rate

06-03-2017 , 11:06 AM

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Internationally acclaimed hate speech expert & typically vocally liberal on my FB feed can't shake her professor bias and uses this story to come at the left for their speech intolerance on campuses. DiB proceeds to politely / passive-aggressively troll her.

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.f.../article/56087

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06-03-2017 , 01:47 PM

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The official paper of The Resistance

06-03-2017 , 02:29 PM

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Ouch. That is a good line.

Quote:

Increasingly fond of locally grown produce, Californians are far less enthusiastic about locally housed farmworkers.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-f...t=oft12aH-1la1

06-03-2017 , 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Ouch. That is a good line.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-f...t=oft12aH-1la1

It's really so awful. So many people suck.

I can't do this now, but seriously one of my fantasies for after my youngest graduates HS is to try to organize a collectively owned an operated farm for Central American farm workers/refugees.

Anyone wanna help?

06-03-2017 , 04:55 PM

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History books are littered with the failures of every conceivable variation of the collectivist commune. Gonna have to count me out.

06-03-2017 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

Just a shame he's such a ****.

Miracles are possible when you gin up economic resentment using dodgy figures.

I agree he's probably going to turn out to be a Thatcherite ****er but I'll worry about that tomorrow. Today, I thought it worth pointing out the social transformation in Irish society in the past 20 years that has meant a gay man whose father is Indian can become Taoiseach.

06-03-2017 , 05:23 PM

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History books are littered with the failures of every conceivable variation of the collectivist commune. Gonna have to count me out.

What's the success rate for non-collectives? And define success anyway? Having people spend some time as other than serfs is a success imo.

Anyway, there aren't a lot of full on collectives, but employee owned companies do fine.

https://hbr.org/1987/09/how-well-is-...ership-working

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Once we had our two samples, we collected data on sales and employment growth. We then compared the growth rates of each ESOP company with its five or more comparison companies, calculating the differences in performance before and after the ESOP was established.

If an ESOP company’s growth was consistent and significantly higher than its comparison companies’ growth, we ascribed this to the “ESOP effect.” An ESOP company might well have outperformed the comparison companies before it set up its ESOP. We registered an ESOP effect only if the company’s performance was even more impressive after it set up its plan.

The results of this analysis proved striking. During the five years before instituting their ESOPs, the 45 companies had, on average, grown moderately faster than the 238 comparison companies: annual employment growth was 1.21% faster, and sales growth, 1.89% faster. During the five years after these companies instituted ESOPs, however, their annual employment growth outstripped that of the comparison companies by 5.05%, while sales growth was 5.4% faster. Moreover, 73% of the ESOP companies in our sample significantly improved their performance after they set up their plans.

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kibbutzim

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06-03-2017 , 05:39 PM

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If we can skip the collectively owned part and exploit the workers count me in.

06-03-2017 , 05:55 PM

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My serious advice to you and maybe suzzer is to just get out of LA. I'm a big fan of urban life in general, but I really don't think cities are healthy places at that scale. Find a smaller city in a sanely governed state and live modestly. That's probably about the best life most of us can reasonably achieve.

06-03-2017 , 06:00 PM

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WE both live about a mile from the beach, air is pretty healthy and the area is laid back. I don't think it's that unhealthy.

That said - Trump is driving me to consider ex-pat life. Guatamala and Nicaragua both have a lot to offer.

06-03-2017 , 06:09 PM

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I meant mentally unhealthy. LA is freakin' weird, man. Some of it is good weird, but a lot of it ain't. I find it mentally exhausting, and I have a very high tolerance for weird.

06-03-2017 , 06:33 PM

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The South Bay where Micro and I live is pretty freaking normal.

06-03-2017 , 06:33 PM

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California is a pretty well governed state.

But, I'm definitely into the idea of living in a small town/rural area. My youngest is in 9th grade and we're definitely staying put until she graduates HS though.

06-03-2017 , 06:36 PM

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The South Bay where Micro and I live is pretty freaking normal.

Yeah, I practically live in Stepford. Way too normal for my tastes. I'm not more than 5 miles from Venice beach, but I haven't been there for about 6 years.

06-03-2017 , 06:49 PM

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It's the same except the medical MJ people running around in fluorescent green scrubs.

06-03-2017 , 06:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The South Bay where Micro and I live is pretty freaking normal.

You're still surrounded by weird, tho.

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

California is a pretty well governed state.

But, I'm definitely into the idea of living in a small town/rural area. My youngest is in 9th grade and we're definitely staying put until she graduates HS though.

That's Trumpland.

I think the sweet spot is 1/4 to 1/2 a million people. Big enough for culture and diversity, but not so big that you feel crowded and alienated at the same time.

Last edited by zikzak; 06-03-2017 at 06:59 PM. Reason: I don't live in that sweet spot :(

06-03-2017 , 07:05 PM

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Bleh - that's Wichita. I fell asleep just writing that sentence.

I'd want to be where I am, or in a small town where I know everyone. I want to hang out in the town square and gossip and eat pie.

The right small town of course. Need to avoid overly racist small towns. So the South is out. Also want to avoid towns currently being terrorized by a corrupt sheriff or local warlord and his goons. And finally no towns where everyone is secretly an alien please. (*space alien)

06-03-2017 , 07:10 PM

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It's also Honolulu!

And, uh, Newark.

06-03-2017 , 07:12 PM

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KC is 1.5M metro area but it's pretty spread out. It's a great town and I'd probably move back if I had kids to raise. But the weather out here destroys KC, and the stuff to do. I think it just works better for me to be around more type A people who left their hometown. But the older I get the less that matters.

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