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June LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of June?

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III

12 20.34%

John Kelly

4 6.78%

Jared Kushner

2 3.39%

Wilbur Ross

2 3.39%

Ben Carson

3 5.08%

Rudy Giuliani

9 15.25%

Scott Pruitt

9 15.25%

Kellyanne Conway

1 1.69%

Rod Rosenstein

8 13.56%

Write-in

9 15.25%

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06-08-2018 , 07:45 AM

#201

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It just seems so unfair that depression seems to hit thoughtful, interesting people disproportionately.

Narcissistic *******s like Harvey Weinstein, Woody Allen and Donald Trump just get to glide through life, never giving a second thought to the wreckage they leave behind. It sucks.

06-08-2018 , 07:54 AM

#202

champstark

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I firmly believe that all the bull**** with Trump and the Republicans contributes strongly to an atmosphere of depression for people who aren't racist idiots. You can really feel a change in how everyone feels since the 2016 election. No one likes to talk about this, but it's true.

I'm not saying Bourdain killed himself because of Trump, but more that generally things seem to suck more and that only makes everything else worse.

06-08-2018 , 08:10 AM

#203

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Originally Posted by dth123451

oh god dammit, **** depression

Did he struggle with depression?

Regardless, this is terrible.

06-08-2018 , 08:15 AM

#204

AllTheCheese

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Man, the guy had the coolest life and seemed like a good dude. Wtf, just why?

06-08-2018 , 08:17 AM

#205

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Man, the guy had the coolest life and seemed like a good dude. Wtf, just why?

He was probably suffering from depression, which is a mental illness where the sufferer is afflicted with overwhelming feelings of sadness and emotional pain that are not reflective of their external circumstances.

06-08-2018 , 08:44 AM

#206

AllTheCheese

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Classic 2p2. Pwn'd ya bruh. You got me good there.

06-08-2018 , 08:52 AM

#207

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Originally Posted by champstark

This is almost certainly correct.

How can you be a decent person and not feel some degree of hopelessness watching this bull**** every single day? Monsters and liars in charge and getting away with it, with the enthusiastic support of a good chunk of the population, is a terrible thing to witness for those who have empathy.

06-08-2018 , 09:41 AM

#208

DodgerIrish

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It certainly promotes a misanthropic view.

06-08-2018 , 09:55 AM

#209

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Originally Posted by champstark

I'm not saying Bourdain killed himself because of Trump, but more that generally things seem to suck more and that only makes everything else worse.

Seems unlikely, since Bourdain had a deplorable streak. I mean, in one of his episodes, didn't he shoot the **** with Howie Carr?

06-08-2018 , 10:02 AM

#210

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna880926

Suicide rates have been going up and this probably misses a lot that are drug overdoses but no one knew it was intentional.

06-08-2018 , 10:11 AM

#211

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Damnit Bourdain.

CDC data shows suicide in US going up from mid 90s to about 2015. It's pretty much a straight line. I haven't seen more recent numbers. I would think Trump increases the slope but don't know.

06-08-2018 , 11:11 AM

#212

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Don't know about his deplorable streak, but he didn't seem that deplorable re: Trump:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...staurant-owne/
https://nypost.com/2017/09/15/anthon...en-the-chance/

And metoo: https://medium.com/@Bourdain/on-reac...s-28bc2c4b9adc
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...t_culture.html

06-08-2018 , 11:22 AM

#213

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There's no way one can travel the way Bourdain did and be a deplorable.

Travel was what broke me out of the libertarian view of the world I had about 10 years ago.

06-08-2018 , 11:31 AM

#214

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He was most certainly not a deplorable. Come on.

06-08-2018 , 11:44 AM

#215

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From his Reddit AMA 5 years ago:
https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...k_me_anything/

Q: Considering you and Ted Nugent are from pretty much opposite ends of the spectrum, what was it like to have him on your show? Did y'all joke around off camera. The episodes that he was in on "No Reservations" were probably my favorite. And also, you're my favorite person ever.

A: I'm proud of the fact that I can be friends with someone with whom I disagree violently about absolutely everything.

06-08-2018 , 11:53 AM

#216

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He's disavowed Nugent even more since that one episode. Bourdain was about as anti-Trump as you can get, but also took lots jabs at liberal orthodoxy and the dem establishment.

This sucks - Bourdain was my hero. I can't imagine how much mental pain you have to be in to leave an 11-year-old daughter behind. I guess I should consider myself lucky I don't understand depression on that level.

06-08-2018 , 11:58 AM

#217

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Best comment I've seen so far is that this is so devastating because he was who we all wanted to be. If he could sink to that place, what hope do the rest of us have?

06-08-2018 , 12:04 PM

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I've never watched Bourdain, but from looking now it's lame to be calling him deplorable just because he didn't hate every deplorable. Not that that's what's happening here.

In another thread it was suggested he was a recovering addict and relapsed. He did seem to have a super awesome thing going. It sucks that you can get everything you've hoped for and worked towards and much more and still be unhappy. He had an 11 year old kid.

06-08-2018 , 12:06 PM

#219

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Bourdain was pretty honest about how ****ty he felt he was as a younger person. We probably don't have the metoo stuff without Asia Argento and what she's done and I think she's said a major reason she was able to do it was because of Bourdain's constant support and encouragement.

06-08-2018 , 12:09 PM

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Best comment I've seen so far is that this is so devastating because he was who we all wanted to be. If he could sink to that place, what hope do the rest of us have?

He obviously had demons, depression or such. He was a heroin and cocaine addict at one point. It's an example of what research shows, that beyond temporary effects and aside from unrelenting pain or abject poverty our happiness is not strongly correlated with the kind of success we spend so much time wishing for.

06-08-2018 , 12:15 PM

#221

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Bourdain was pretty honest about how ****ty he felt he was as a younger person. We probably don't have the metoo stuff without Asia Argento and what she's done and I think she's said a major reason she was able to do it was because of Bourdain's constant support and encouragement.

*Ding*

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Here's where things get murky. We know Anthony was shooting his show in France this week -- he'd been there for at least 4 days. However, Asia was seen back in Rome, strolling around with a French reporter named Hugo Clément. There were photos of them holding hands and hugging, but the Italian photographer who shot the pics pulled them off the market on the heels of Anthony's death.
It's unclear if Anthony and Asia had broken up. If they did, there was no public announcement. Their last public appearance together at an event was back in April in NYC.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/08/anthon...p-split-close/

06-08-2018 , 12:22 PM

#222

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Here's a blog post about a paper that argues that the housing bubble is largely a fiction. Basically the argument is that the supply of housing was generally normal through 2008, with supply-driven price increases in cities where it's illegal to build houses. Then, in 2008, credit conditions were severely restricted, which led to a permanent decrease in the value of a lot of houses. I linked the blog post rather than the paper because the author made a couple posts that helped me really get the argument:

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Here's a big reason: Before 2008, mortgage originations generally moved up together across the market. In spite of the apparent spike in subprime lending, there was no spike in lending to low FICO scores, low incomes, low education, etc. In 2008, there was an immediate and permanent collapse in low tier lending. Two-thirds of lending to FICO scores under 720 disappeared and more than half of lending in the 720-760 range disappeared. Above 760, originations continued roughly as they had before. To give you an idea of the scale, 2/3 of households are homeowners and the average US FICO score has been around 690 for the entire time.

I would say that, across the country today home prices are about 20% below previous intrinsic value in high tier neighborhoods and about 40% below value in low tier neighborhoods, compared to the previous longstanding credit regime that predates the bubble.

This isn't really an EMH issue. We legally removed access to funding for a broad section of the market. That's a structural shock that changes the price level.

Another way to say it is that, at the margin, large portions of the housing market shifted from owner-occupier to investor-owned, and investors require higher gross yields.

I couldn't go into all the details in that 7 page policy paper, but the effects of this are quite systematic at the zip code level in every city.

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Bob, I share Scott's discomfort with the use of the word "bubble" here, and I always have the same dilemma of whether to use scare quotes or not.

There were a few cities, like Phoenix and Las Vegas where prices were probably destined to fall to some extent in most counterfactual scenarios, and the use of the word "bubble" is appropriate in that very limited sense. But, 90%+ of what was ascribed to a "bubble" and deemed to lead to inevitable collapse, was clearly not a bubble in hindsight, including housing markets in the half dozen or so cities where home prices were far and away the highest in 2005.

So, in the space of generally accepted consensus of what happened, a small little corner of that space can retain the descriptor "bubble". The rest of it shouldn't. There is certainly no reason, for instance, that low end homes in a city like Atlanta should have lost 40% of their value from 2007 to 2012.

The fact that that monstrous outcome is excused as the inevitable outcome of a "bubble" that never was is a much more important fact than the fact that in a handful of cities, home prices could be reasonably called a "bubble" if you need to, for a short time. The difficulty for me is how to talk about the "bubble" (scare quotes) in Atlanta without bringing in all the baggage that people have about the "bubble" (maybe reasonable) in Phoenix.