https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1007752123696721920

People believe that because it's what they want to believe. There is no amount of persuasion or argumentation that will reach most of them. The staunchest anti-immigration voting blocs for the GOP all reside in states which don't take in very many immigrants. That should tell you everything you need to know.

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idk if you can still get away with this, but I barely graduated high school. Then I crushed a couple semesters at community college, saved a bunch of money while knocking out all the BS prerequisites, and was welcomed with open arms into a very competitive program at a very good state school.

But you can still frame the argument somewhat. When Sean Hannity makes the argument that Manafort is in jail, just like these women at the border - you have to immediately remind him EVERY SINGLE TIME that seeking asylum is not a crime. It will at least force the deplorables to move on to a worse argument. Stop ceding false ground.

I tried to get my kid to do this. (Not the barely graduating part)

Drunk...

Racism is a psychological construct erected in the minds of those who misunderstand their own defense mechanisms and pattern recognition. Humans are neither good nor evil, they are amoral, interested only in self-preservation. There is no such thing as right and wrong, just something you like more than the other so that you live longer. Within that context is the same moral purview society takes in the interest of collective self-preservation, of which results in subsequent preservation of the individual, the reason you partake in a social contract in the first place.

I feel guilty about the possessions I've been given and "earned". What I question is do I feel horrible about the suffering of others because they suffer and I don't, or do I feel horrible about the suffering of others because I want to feel less guilty about the possessions I have? Or is it both? Am I an ******* no matter what I do? If that circular argument is all correct, then are remarkably insensitive and nihilistic persons doing it right, and I'm a sucker? Will revisit when sober...

Teflon's not the only one drinking. Or Orin's older than I thought. (Via Nate tha Great.)


https://twitter.com/senorrinhatch/st...08022498619393

I got the Moom Aura list. Why am I not president? Where's the success? What a ***.

lol orin met george washington?

Yeah I posted that as the best real example I've seen.

This meme sucks.

That sounds crudely accurate, but for some reason this:

Sounds wrong. Who are you? Anton Chigurh? Because of consciousness and our big brains I think we can in general figure out what's right and what's wrong, we're just way too flawed to stick to what's right.

Morality is innate. Humans are moral. Our morality works fairly well in small groups, but when abstract concepts and allegiances to impersonal groups get thrown into the mix people can do and support heinous things, thinking they are morally correct to do so.

This is hardly debatable even. Capuchin monkeys are moral.

He could be a time traveler, or possibly a vampire.

A small but significant percentage are amoral. Psychopaths. This episode of NPR's Snap Judgement was recently replayed. It's creepy. Scientist studies brains of psychopaths, accidentally discovers he is one.

https://www.npr.org/2015/07/10/42162...the-psychopath

Very interesting story.

Sam accused Ezra of calling him that.

The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham apparently. Guards were directed to be more brutal, and prisoners only became legitimately scared once they were told by administrators that they couldn't leave. https://medium.com/s/trustissues/the...e-d869212b1f62

Hmmmm - so maybe it wasn't really a sham? Confuse

Looks like the results are far less interesting than portrayed to layman. Not sure if that constitutes a sham in social sciences. It doesn’t in hard sciences.

Not a huge shock. It's was missing (without knowing this) the what the Milgram experiment, the Holocaust, and Trump's immigration policy have: authority figures telling you to do it and seeing other people have no qualms or even think they are doing the right thing. People aren't evil, they are sheeple.

You know those studies where someone pretends they are hurt or they have a fire (making the smell), actors pretend like nothing is wrong and many people do nothing - or if actors help people want to help. People will go to great lengths to fill the role expected of them and to avoid possibly looking foolish or in error. The Trumpkins y'all know are held in contempt here, but in their bubble their views are thought to be good or at least dissent would bring contempt.

The results are a confusing mess because it's unclear how many guards/prisoners were legitimately getting into their role vs. how many were conforming to the expectations of the researchers.

It's also a pretty good example of why a social science "experiment" is probably going to be bull**** most of the time. Humans respond to expectations from authority - whether spoken or not.

The marshmallow experiment is probably the same. Lets say the first 3 children eat the marshmallow right away. The researcher might start to realize - "Well that's not a very interesting result, maybe I'm doing something wrong. How can I phrase it better so the kids will be more enticed by the second marshmallow?" Or they just do all of that subconsciously.

I've always felt like that test measures a kid's willingness to please adults/authority more than ability to delay gratification. I'm pretty sure I'd eat that first marshmallow so fast rather than sit there and torture myself. But also if an authority figure makes it clear they'd like me to do something - I usually look for an excuse to do the opposite.

I've always been that way. If there's a button on the wall you didn't want me to push as a little kid, your best bet is to not mention it to me.

The person offering the marshmellow shouldn't know what's up either.

The Stanford experiment hasn't been really reproduced and the closest attempt came to very different conclusions. "Sham" is pretty harsh though.

Yeah. I really only knew about the experiment anecdotally I think. So I thought it was give people uniforms and guards started beating people. At least that’s what people mean when they bring it up in conversation.

Yeah this is prob true.

The person offering the marshmallow would know if kids are massively leaning one way or another, and presumably would know that's not an interesting result. Unless you're going to rotate experimenters in constantly as well.

They should do that test now with a robot - to eliminate any human expectation or fear of potential disappointment in the kid. Only annoying thing is we have to wait 30 years to see if the kids become successful.