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July LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

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07-31-2018 , 12:11 PM

#1676

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

Not really - I'm not familiar with your taxation situation, so you are probably better off doing your own research for whatever you wish here.

Jesus ****ing christ, I literally asked about UK's taxation situation. I already know mine.

Telling me that if I want UK's taxes I can have UK's system without even knowing the UK's taxes strikes you as something other than trolling?

07-31-2018 , 12:11 PM

#1677

Josem

human chemical weapon

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

...implying that the US system is vastly superior to the one under which you're forced to live so I figured I could save some time.

I never said that, I never thought that, and I never implied that.

I said that the UK, US and AU systems were different, and had different benefits. Sorry for not joining the extremist way of thinking that there's one solution that works universally and is better in every way in every part of the world.

07-31-2018 , 12:15 PM

#1678

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I never said that, I never thought that, and I never implied that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

Yah, if you're willing to pay UK taxes, you can have the UK health system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

Here's one - Doctor Pay
From 2 minutes of Google and currency conversions:

US GPs are paid, on average, USD174k

UK GPs are paid between USD74k and USD112k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

No - in the UK, the odd NHS doctor just straight up kills up to 650 people: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8407686.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

Like the benefit of being able to call your GP and seeing them the same day.

If I was to call my NHS* doctor right now (1.27pm, 31 July) I expect the first available non-urgent/emergency appointment would be around 13 August, give or take 4 days.

**** off. Seriously.

07-31-2018 , 12:33 PM

#1679

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

No - in the UK, the odd NHS doctor just straight up kills up to 650 people: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8407686.html

This is basically a 'troll line' and everyone seriously engaging below it is getting trolled.

07-31-2018 , 12:53 PM

#1680

Huehuecoyotl

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Pretty much

07-31-2018 , 12:56 PM

#1681

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

I mean the 60 people living on fair isle probably don't get the best medical treatment straight away either but it's hardly indicative of the UK overall.

It's not even part of the UK

07-31-2018 , 01:07 PM

#1682

DrChesspain

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I never understood when people complain that they can't see their own doctor for a same-day appointment, especially when someone else on staff is willing to see you.

Do people think that physicians keep a couple of hours blocked out per day for same-day appointments?

07-31-2018 , 01:19 PM

#1683

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,720

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I don't think either option is "silly". I just think that health care is too important to be entrusted to a Government bureacracy

So let's leave it to for-profit companies. Great plan.

07-31-2018 , 01:35 PM

#1684

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

No - in the UK, the odd NHS doctor just straight up kills up to 650 people: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8407686.html.

“650 patients died from lethal doses of opiate painkillers given “without medical justification” over 12 years at an NHS hospital...”

Ban

07-31-2018 , 01:43 PM

#1685

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

“650 patients died from lethal doses of opiate painkillers given “without medical justification” over 12 years at an NHS hospital...”

Ban

you never hear about this happening in ohio or west virginia

07-31-2018 , 01:59 PM

#1686

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

It's not even part of the UK

Says who? Wiki says it is.

Quote:

Geography

Fair Isle is the most remote inhabited island in the United Kingdom.[11] It is administratively part of the parish of Dunrossness, Shetland,

07-31-2018 , 02:06 PM

#1687

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

“650 patients died from lethal doses of opiate painkillers given “without medical justification” over 12 years at an NHS hospital...”

Ban

Barely over 1 patient a week, those are rookie numbers.

07-31-2018 , 02:14 PM

#1688

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Says who? Wiki says it is.

It's a Crown dependency, not even technically part of the Commonwealth. They didn't get a vote on Brexit. Not UK imo.

07-31-2018 , 02:17 PM

#1689

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

It's a Crown dependency, not even technically part of the Commonwealth. They didn't get a vote on Brexit. Not UK imo.

The wiki says they're part of Scotland, the only Crown dependencies are Guernsey, Jersey, and IoM.

07-31-2018 , 02:32 PM

#1690

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

The wiki says they're part of Scotland, the only Crown dependencies are Guernsey, Jersey, and IoM.

The wiki also says:

Quote:

Under British law, the Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom.

Seems pretty clear-cut. I think the Scotland thing is just a sort of administrative convenience.

07-31-2018 , 02:47 PM

#1691

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I said that the UK, US and AU systems were different, and had different benefits. Sorry for not joining the extremist way of thinking that there's one solution that works universally and is better in every way in every part of the world.

This is kind of a hilarious disclaimer given the clear agenda you've outlined:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I just think that health care is too important to be entrusted to a Government bureacracy

You want to be able to snipe at countries' systems who are run by a government bureaucracy, but when people point out the private US system is still plenty ****ed up in all kinds of ways - "oh, sorry, I was just saying they're different, not making an actual endorsement here".

So, uh, wow? Great point? Yeah, no ****, they're different. Great contribution. Your total unwillingness to actually step up and defend an alternative says everything, really.

07-31-2018 , 02:49 PM

#1692

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

The wiki also says:

Seems pretty clear-cut. I think the Scotland thing is just a sort of administrative convenience.

We're talking 'bout Fair Isle, not Isle of Man.

07-31-2018 , 02:55 PM

#1693

ChrisV

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Flying back to Straya tonight. Murica, I have enjoyed visiting your country. I look forward to visiting again in the future in the event that it continues to exist.

07-31-2018 , 03:17 PM

#1694

Johnny Truant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrChesspain

FWIW, my Canadian family can’t get a doctor to do house-calls from my understanding.

07-31-2018 , 03:22 PM

#1695

TrollyWantACracker

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 4,184

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

Flying back to Straya tonight. Murica, I have enjoyed visiting your country. I look forward to visiting again in the future in the event that it continues to exist.

At this point, I suspect that this will be a better place to visit once the US ceases to exist but YMMV.

07-31-2018 , 03:40 PM

#1696

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

We're talking 'bout Fair Isle, not Isle of Man.

Oh right, I missed that, lol.

07-31-2018 , 03:48 PM

#1697

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,914

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Says who? Wiki says it is.

My bad. I thought we were talking about the isle of man

07-31-2018 , 03:53 PM

#1698

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,914

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45009078

Quote:

Four US paramedics accused of racially profiling and failing to provide medical care to a dying woman face a disciplinary hearing on Tuesday.

Crystle Galloway's mother says medics assumed the Tampa, Florida, family could not afford the ambulance cost.

The 30-year-old's mother drove her to hospital instead. Ms Galloway slipped in to a coma after suffering a presumed stroke, and died five days later.

Hillsborough County officials have already accepted responsibility.

There's no defense for a system where ambulances care a single jot about whether the patient can pay or not. And, as per usual when you have bad systems, it's the discriminated against who get the worst of it.

07-31-2018 , 03:59 PM

#1699

Jiggymike

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

This is basically a 'troll line' and everyone seriously engaging below it is getting trolled.

Ya’ll already forgot about “poor people in Germany are worse off than people in Mississippi”? He just flat ignored the article I posted with gems likes this:

Quote:

Of particular concern to Alston are specific poverty-related issues that have surfaced across the country in recent years, such as an outbreak of hookworm in Alabama in 2017—a disease typically found in nations with substandard sanitary conditions in South Asia and Subsaharan Africa.

Last edited by Jiggymike; 07-31-2018 at 04:00 PM. Reason: Edit note: article was referring to Alabama

07-31-2018 , 05:03 PM

#1700

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 99,984

Is anyone else watching Succession on HBO? I'm hooked. It's basically a Disney-like company with an aging patriarch and 4 kids - with all the corporate/money/family drama. Lots of dark humor.

The dip**** oldest son who's never really run anything is always pushing for stuff like to shift the family's big charity from the arts to tax reform. In one scene he bonds with a black ballet dancer and is like "Let's just start a new thing, you and me, w/o all the govt. shackles." It's so subtle and hilarious.

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