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07-27-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
Is there a better platform to find/organize local events than Facebook? That's basically the only thing I use it for.
MeetUp

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 07-27-2018 at 01:55 PM. Reason: my pony is slow
07-27-2018 , 02:00 PM
Les Moonves: RUH ROH!
07-27-2018 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Les Moonves: RUH ROH!
My first thought was that this was some French thing I'd never heard of.
07-27-2018 , 02:12 PM
Youtube. They use Youtube.
07-27-2018 , 02:17 PM
07-27-2018 , 02:59 PM


https://twitter.com/phil_hellmuth/st...46127538446336
07-27-2018 , 03:11 PM
Should I keep writing and eventually send this letter? It's to opposing counsel after they provided half-assed general description of their client's alleged trade secret(s) (in 7 different general categories) after the judge granted our motion to compel a more specific description. I'm ready to go a bit nuclear on them, which is not my typical style, and am not overly concerned with the consequences. So, good letter or bad idea? [Note, went out with a friend last night and am still feeling it.]

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Counsel,

I'm not surprised you disagree. It was either you or your partner, Mr. [x], who fumbled around for 15 minutes misrepresenting trade secret law to the magistrate, and you have apparently not taken the opportunity to review the relevant cases and materials in the interim, to the extent that you have disobeyed a court order.

I'm not sure your contempt of court is willful; it may just be that you are not sufficiently concerned with standards of professional conduct that they guide your actions. That would explain why your firm initially filed the complaint on a plainly unenforceable, even illegal, contract in a venue that lacked jurisdiction even after having been informed that jurisdiction was lacking. I've never had a complaint dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction, or even a motion filed on such basis, but I'm not in the habit of using law as a vehicle for abuse rather than a system for rule-based dispute resolution.

From your initial 8-page overbroad, uninformed, and borderline abusive "cease and desist" letter that appeared to be cut and pasted from a guide for how to use officious legalese to threaten the uninitiated, little of what has happened in this case has appeared to reflect a concern for either the law or truth.

This is not simply an issue of fair play or personal ethics; it has the force of law. Rule 11 of the FRCP requires that:

(b) Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:

(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;

(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;

(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and

(4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on belief or a lack of information.

I realize the universities in Utah are not known for their quality, but the internet, to say nothing of printing generally, has lead to the widespread availability of cases and treatises with information about the law of trade secrets and standards of professional conduct. Such materials often note that disgruntled former employers, particularly those with more money than sense, have a tendency to file trade secret cases against former employees, regardless of their merit, particularly when the employer lacks the managerial skill or competence to effectively run the business without the former employee. The predominance of such experience is why courts have carefully circumscribed trade secret actions to limit their abuse. In fact, such experience, which appears to be exemplified by the present case, is why the magistrate ordered your client to divulge its actual trade secret(s) instead of simply general categories of businessy-sounding information.

Last edited by simplicitus; 07-27-2018 at 03:20 PM.
07-27-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
she comes off as pretty dumb but whatever.
She's likely creative and undisciplined, which is different than dumb.
07-27-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
In shocking news, all happiness research has joined the rest of social psychology in being shown to be false: http://www.nber.org/papers/w24853

Getting a little nervous about my affection for Thinking Fast and Slow...
Most psychology is BS, but there is definitely a fast and slow cognitive system.
07-27-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I was a web developer, so this is just me, but ANY web page. Maybe that's the thing about Facebook. None of the free web page hosting/builder pages were really accessible enough for enough people and FB functions as the really usable Wordpress or w/e.
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Originally Posted by Loki
Literally any calendar, like google calendar, the Microsoft one, etc? Eventbright, meetup, nearify, things like that?
For organizing maybe, although that's still more work than fb. A big advantage of facebook for me is that I have maybe 150 friends in the area who use it, most of whom I never talk to anymore, that mark themselves as interested in a wide variety of events like concerts, art shows, little festivals, things like that. Then fb pushes those events into my feed, I mark myself interested, and get a little reminder notification when it gets closer so I can decide if I actually want to go. It's like I'm exposed to a whole bunch of different subcultures, and the only barrier to entry is that at some point in the past I had to have met someone involved in that thing.
07-27-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Should I keep writing and eventually send this letter? It's to opposing counsel after they provided half-assed general description of their client's alleged trade secret(s) (in 7 different general categories) after the judge granted our motion to compel a more specific description. I'm ready to go a bit nuclear on them, which is not my typical style, and am not overly concerned with the consequences. So, good letter or bad idea? [Note, went out with a friend last night and am still feeling it.]
Rule #1: Never give in to the impulse to send angry written communications, except as permitted by Rule #2.
Rule #2: There are no exceptions.

This situation is not an exception. The line about universities in Utah is one that you will particularly regret when you read this again in a week.

You will ultimately feel a lot better if you replace all the clever little digs with clear, direct descriptions of what you think they've done wrong, what authority proves that they're wrong, what you expect them to do now and what you intend to do if they continue in their misguided course of action.
07-27-2018 , 03:49 PM
07-27-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Rule #1: Never give in to the impulse to send angry written communications, except as permitted by Rule #2.
Rule #2: There are no exceptions.

This situation is not an exception. The line about universities in Utah is one that you will particularly regret when you read this again in a week.

You will ultimately feel a lot better if you replace all the clever little digs with clear, direct descriptions of what you think they've done wrong, what authority proves that they're wrong, what you expect them to do now and what you intend to do if they continue in their misguided course of action.
This is good advice and simplicitus certainly knows it. Since I attended the U of U, I was a little offended but also a little surprised to be offended. If he does send it, I can at least hope that the recipient represents certain former acquaintances.
07-27-2018 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Rule #1: Never give in to the impulse to send angry written communications, except as permitted by Rule #2.
Rule #2: There are no exceptions.

This situation is not an exception. The line about universities in Utah is one that you will particularly regret when you read this again in a week.

You will ultimately feel a lot better if you replace all the clever little digs with clear, direct descriptions of what you think they've done wrong, what authority proves that they're wrong, what you expect them to do now and what you intend to do if they continue in their misguided course of action.
This seems like good advice that I should follow. [Drank a bottle of vodka with a friend last night and slept from 4am-9:30]. They originally filed in Utah, and we got the case dismissed for lack of PJ, which they then refiled in LA. I still plan to be a little sarcastic and to write another 1,000 words but will reduce most of the cheap shots and be more concrete. Note that their defamation and breach of contract claims have been dismissed (LA federal court declined to exercise supplemental jurisdiction on contract claim; and they didn't refile the defamation claim in CA after dismissal in Utah, likely due to fear of anti-SLAPP motion, so we're just down to trade secret, and it's BS.)

In fact, they didn't file trade secret claim under CA law, just the new federal Defend Trade Secrets Act, because CA has a procedural rule (that most CA federal courts apply in state law TS cases) that a plaintiff cannot take discovery in a trade secret case until they specify what the trade secret is. CA Civil Cose 2019.210 ("In any action alleging the misappropriation of a trade secret under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act, before commencing discovery relating to the trade secret, the party alleging the misappropriation shall identify the trade secret with reasonable particularity subject to any orders that may be appropriate.").
07-27-2018 , 04:21 PM
BTW, I have perhaps a semi-irrational hatred of two states: Florida and Utah. I had a case where Florida law controlled. Court opinions were uniformly short, lacked analysis, poorly written, and often wrongly decided. It really is a state without a good university. And Utah is, well, Utah. That Jason Chaffetz was elected is all I need to know about Utah.

Last edited by simplicitus; 07-27-2018 at 04:29 PM.
07-27-2018 , 04:24 PM
What Would Grimes Do?
07-27-2018 , 04:28 PM
Grimes would send the letter. Unfortunately, I am not Grimes.
07-27-2018 , 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplicitus
Should I keep writing and eventually send this letter? It's to opposing counsel after they provided half-assed general description of their client's alleged trade secret(s) (in 7 different general categories) after the judge granted our motion to compel a more specific description. I'm ready to go a bit nuclear on them, which is not my typical style, and am not overly concerned with the consequences. So, good letter or bad idea? [Note, went out with a friend last night and am still feeling it.]
Step away from the letter and forget about it and the problem that compelled you write it for a while. Come back to it hours later when you're calmer and more collected and slowly read it over. At that point, think of the consequences that could result from sending that letter. Then, either edit the letter or don't send it at all.
07-27-2018 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
FB is for kids to post stuff for grandma every now and then. It's not for fun or actual engagement with peers.

The kid I had in my life (who's 25 now) was the last generation that seriously engaged with FB. Which was great in a parental role because you could see everything they were up to and who they associated with.
I’m entering my mid 30s and was part of the first generation to seriously engage with fb. I’ve gone through the whole cycle. Initially used for documenting and planning college high jinx, then reconnecting with high school friends after they opened it up to all colleges, to now getting hassled by my mom for not posting enough pictures of the grandkids to show her friends. I log on like once every few months now. Prob would just delete it if my parents weren’t on it.
07-27-2018 , 05:06 PM
I'm 28 and deleted it a bit under a year ago. Haven't missed it at all, but recently broke up with my long term gf and realized I don't have any pictures of myself for dating apps because they are all on Facebook. Sigh.
07-27-2018 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
For organizing maybe, although that's still more work than fb. A big advantage of facebook for me is that I have maybe 150 friends in the area who use it, most of whom I never talk to anymore, that mark themselves as interested in a wide variety of events like concerts, art shows, little festivals, things like that. Then fb pushes those events into my feed, I mark myself interested, and get a little reminder notification when it gets closer so I can decide if I actually want to go. It's like I'm exposed to a whole bunch of different subcultures, and the only barrier to entry is that at some point in the past I had to have met someone involved in that thing.
i call bull**** on the idea that anyone really has 150 "friends"
07-27-2018 , 05:23 PM
I have 500 FB friends and I'd say 100-200 are legit friends. Not every day friends - but we were at least hang out friends at one time. If I was visiting their city (assuming I didn't live in it) they'd probably let me crash on their couch for a few nights.

I'm friends with a few people I call "hyper-extroverts" who I'd say have legit 1000 friends like that. IE they get to a city and say "Ok who do I know in Stuttgart?" and several people reply. These guys seem like they're always at some festival - Burning Man, Octoberfest, Jazz Fest, EDM stuff, Santacon, etc. Also they also rarely spend a night home alone. I think on some level they are afraid to be alone. But the result is that they have tons of friends scattered around the world.

Then there are my friends from late teens to early 20s in KC who are still hang out together on Sat nights playing board games. I'm not sure if any of them have made a new friend in the last 25 years. Well the single guy has made a few maybe. But they don't last. Great guys, I love seeing them when I go back. But they aren't exactly enticing me to move back to KC.

Last edited by suzzer99; 07-27-2018 at 05:30 PM.
07-27-2018 , 05:24 PM
Not being comfortable in your own company is a pretty bad sign imo.
07-27-2018 , 05:32 PM
So is being too comfortable in your own company. The more time I spend alone the less tolerance/stamina I have for spending time with others. Not the best trend.
07-27-2018 , 05:35 PM
I'm down to 1 friend, who I exchange email with maybe once every 6 months and see in person about half as frequently.

      
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