I did quote the full post.

Also depends on which half they cut. They could build fewer bombs and still do the math.

What the **** are you taking about?

Huh interesting to find ole' centrist free market max has found Jesus on the healing power of government spending.

lol which wraps around to being just another example of DVaut's post.

Jesus man....you said quote the full post BEFORE changing the post to something completely different with no edit tag.

There is nothing more centrist in the US than government funding of research. Its a government handout to a bunch of upper middle class white people who grew up in the burbs....you prob should be against it. But thanks for rising to the level of useful idiot on the subject.

Take it to ATF and learn how the 'edit tag' works.

This is unfair. There was and is no system that could do what shuttle did. Hubble is a particularly bad example for your point. Shuttle and Hubble development partly justified each other. Hubble was designed to be serviced in space by shuttle. If that weren't the case, Hubble would have been crippled after launch. Shuttle repairs saved Hubble and upgraded it on 4 more service missions, greatly extending it's life. No system other than shuttle could do that.

Shuttle did have serious safety flaws. Despite that, the failure rate of <2% is better than you might expect from looking at overall aerospace history. Shuttle's flaws were fatal because of pressures that aren't going away in private companies. There's only been one fatality on a private rocket that I know of, but there will be more.

Fair enough....when i make a post then completely change it before an edit tag is required i would add an edit tagging saying i changed the post or at least tell the guy that responded to the old post "hey sorry i changed that please see new post". But berating the guy for responding to the old post you know you made and are now pretending like you never made is..... fine also? Just another chapter in the lol microbet chronicles.

Obv, but even less esoterically, he benefits from a bunch of subsidies and tax credits, without which his cars would be much less affordable and less successful.

You're missing the main thrust of his argument

on the tails of the announcement that kaspersky anti-virus is now going free to consumers (I think):

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07...ersky-software

Great.

Joke? He came in the middle and doesn't get to change the argument from "public spending on the whole has accomplished a lot" to "every instance of public spending has individually been fantastic" or decide that "elon musk has benefited greatly from public spending on rocketry" means the government specifically spent money creating SpaceX.

Seems like the participants have moved on from the facts of the actual argument into bickering about who said what, when and why. But I appreciated this post anyway. Thanks for saving me the effort.

You've got a lot of nerve being all mature in here.

Yeah...Trump supporters, Trump detractors. Turn off brain, just say both sides are bad. That way you can feel superior without bothering to learn anything!

Yeah Tesla literally needs enormous state/federal subsidies to compete in the market at all. Without those incentives(which are probably good policy! I'm not against the concept at all), nobody would be interested in an electric car, which is generally like 50% more expensive than a comparable conventional model.

Has anyone looked at the carbon footprint of a car compared with the electricity generation to power a Tesla?

Tesla is hopefully about to come out with their relatively modest car, but up to this point the rebate has been $7500-$10k on a car that usually comes in over $100k and got long waiting lists to buy.

I'm a fan of the rebates in general, and even for these models they were probably good at first, and I'm ok with this benefit not being progressive, but the super luxury sports sedan Tesla doesn't really need the tax credit at this point anyway.

Obviously, this is an aside and doesn't mean the government didn't do a lot of the work that even makes these cars possible.

The consumer end rebates are just a portion of it, though. The charging stations are incentivized, too.

And even with as hard left as I am, I'm even fine with subsidizing rich people's fancy toys because the research that went into the S and roadster class are paying off with what will hopefully be the first mass market electric. All the money we've given Musk has moved the electric car timeframe forward significantly, which is good for all of us.

Though jesus christ that Minority Report dashboard needs to go.

I meant the effort of replying about how the shuttle/Hubble was a very bad example. You know - the actual relevant point we were supposedly talking about?

A lot of people in CA buy electric cars to use the carpool lanes.

Odd that Webb (which is way late and over budget) is being used as "good spending" in any context. But what you're saying doesn't have anything to do with government spending. Its the same for all spending in research and development. Some things will return a ton, some will be like just flushing money down the toilet, and some things will be even worse than that....almost like a long con, where you get just enough promise to keep funding but then nothing at the end.

Saying the real question is how do we go from wasted government research spending to great government research spending is as "interesting"/subtle as telling a venture capital firm that they should focus on finding out why some nanocap funds go to 0 while others blow up into megacaps. Thanks......I guess?

I got a Prius just when it was too late to get a sticker. They had some left with stickers for $10k extra.