If it's a subsidy to the Waltons, when a worker quits, or gets the boot, or goes on strike, that worker loses access to that portion of the subsidy the Walton's weren't triple skimming for administration costs.

Something like a UBI or negative income tax, remitted to the working folk, aren't subsidies to the Walton's, and the Walton's don't get to skim off of those payments.

Lol my bad I thought you guys were talking about a UBI.

Yeah. I just point it out because Milo, 4 chan, Richard Spencer or I dunno, Mike Rowe avatars with lunch pails and living paycheck to paycheck et al get all the attention so it's understandable to assume the hard-right/Trump pivot is some sort of genuine working class revolt, or where a mass of youth are at the vanguard. But it's not:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...-donald-trump/

And when you see little data points like this that show the people ostensibly really disdainful of education in the US are actually kinda doing OK economically and largely older, the picture becomes clearer. The really reactionary types now distressed about college and education aren't young people furious about debt. These aren't the working class upset they've been denied a chance up the ladder. These are Trump voters, his wheelhouse, the dependable GOP critters: the middle class and above older people upset about <insert right-wing bugaboos here>.

The rambling point: This is a middle class revolt. Not a working class one. And it's a generational revolt -- of olds. And the really defensive, reactionary ones are in specific places.

Good news front!: these people won't live forever.

We were, I think Shame Trolly misunderstood my post because I referred to it as a wage subsidy.

The only thing that irritates me is that all voters' income are higher than the median income because voting is correlated with higher income. In other words just by composition you're only talking about working class relative to some voter mean not the actual mean because the working class, by and large, doesn't vote. In any case, a naive understanding of the situation would show that the shock troops for conservativism aren't the working class but upper middle class and above. The working class's voting habits when described by the media on why the voted for Trump takes the form of a bet. They get described as making a bet on Trump that he'll bring back jobs instead of Clinton, but people making bets aren't the best description of what you'd imagine shock troops to be. You'd imagine them as the kind of people who have time to get repeatedly owned on posting boards, or attend city council meetings, etc. Basically the people who have time to spare to learn about all these random things.

The left, I'd imagine, would have an innate advantage when it comes to the working class because supposedly the left's boogeymen are real and immediate. You boss is sucking up your paycheck, won't let you off for sick days, while the Republican's boogeyman are much more abstract. 'Academic elites' won't let Milo say racist things at X campus? Who gives a **** when I'm working 2 jobs? But to the extent that they're not means how little the working class means to anyone, left or right, except as a totem. Or perhaps, as it goes, that economic interests aren't as important to the working class as cultural issues. Who knows?

OK VG. I did indeed think you were referring to a wage subsidy.

Well, I hope I made my point about wage subsidies, even though nobody was talking about wage subsidies. Other than that... carry on.

Aren't we already subsidizing Walmart through food stamps and emergency rooms?

I think Phil just got a life.

vix abandoned us for POG again. He'll be back eventually.

ross douthat is the worst and i would pay money for him to never write about europe again.

or at least get fired from the ny times and join some ****ty right wing/alt-right media i dont care about anyway

Not real surprising the people most likely to be helping their kids foot the bill for college think they're getting ripped off and have a negative view.

The NRA is out with another video that, as far as I can tell, has absolutely nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with conservative resentments

Phill a lefty? No way, he was a die hard Tory who happened to be very pro-EU and immigration, a dying breed known as One Nation Tories who ran the party until Thatcher and Monetarism took over.

We could use more like him here to stimulate the debate, rather than the far right trolls we get.

Stop expressing your grievances that I fought for your right to express...

Pretty sure the implicit message is that the guns are for the anarchists, obstructionist politicians, a media motivated by extreme ideology, and government officials encouraging protests like all the radical Islamic countries blah blah. Like I think implicit in all these things are why people should be armed and ready to use their weapons.

He is very much correct tho. It's a video against free media, right of assembly and protest rights. It does look very much like the conditions in every 'radical islamic country' he spent time in.

Vid is Accidentally Woke in that after "... a media motivated by extreme ideology", it cuts to O'Donnell saying "That was a racist lie, told to appeal to racists."

ETA I mean could there even be a bigger tell than just using that clip, my god.

Interesting piece in the guardian from some dude who analysed a bunch of anon google search data of lolAmericans.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ens-davidowitz

Amongst the doozies:

I fear your pony may use Alta vista

Oh ffs ponied again? Which thread?

Here's two from me about a half month ago:

That is a bit of a lefty by USA standards

He could even have voted new labour

Why buy a yacht when you can get a sub?

http://www.migaloo-submarines.com

Because yachts don't take you underwater where people can't breathe. Well, at least not by design.

The offshore platforms look pretty cool.

Inequality is to the point where the 1% are all Bond Villains now.