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11-08-2018 , 05:58 PM
In front of Baltimore City Hall, ~100 people here. Starts in a few mins. More people trickling in. Was hoping for 500+. Although people who work til 5 will be trickling in I suppose.
11-08-2018 , 05:59 PM
Two cops talking to organizers, smiling and pointing. Seems like there won't be any problems. Mics and speakers set up.
11-08-2018 , 06:03 PM
200+ now.
11-08-2018 , 06:25 PM
Hard to see now. 500+ maybe more. LET'S GOOOOO!
11-08-2018 , 06:48 PM
The earlier takes in this thread about Trump wanting the house to investigate him are 100% correct, he wants to force a conflict just like he did with Acosta yesterday at that presser. His base will 100% eat up a "nancy pelosi is leading a rigged witch hunt" line, they're already eating it up right now, just go look at their facebook pages.
11-08-2018 , 06:51 PM
11-08-2018 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
The earlier takes in this thread about Trump wanting the house to investigate him are 100% correct, he wants to force a conflict just like he did with Acosta yesterday at that presser. His base will 100% eat up a "nancy pelosi is leading a rigged witch hunt" line, they're already eating it up right now, just go look at their facebook pages.
What's the old line? The fascist's goal is not the win, but the struggle. Something like that.

Trump has some subtle, blunt political skills. Assuming you choose to be a criminal grifty politician, Trump has the 'correct' play to essentially semi-bluff: he spends the whole time declaring any and all investigations rigged witch hunts and signaling to his base that it's a partisan issue to get triggered about, and so either Mueller (or the House Democrats) 'exonerates' him because Mueller can't prove collusion ("NO COLLUSION!!! WE WON" meow chow) or Mueller finds some damning ****, but his party doesn't care because they've sequestered the investigation into the partisan spaces of their mind.

Politicians who play coy and let investigations simply play out without comment because they're afraid being seen as partisan or combative will alienate people are probably correct enough that a combative, partisan pose will alienate some people, but it closes down really any path but for exoneration. Trump gives himself two ways to win, by defining his guilt so narrowly that nothing could qualify and by disqualifying the investigation such that any unflattering determination is dismissed anyway.

He calculated and understood one simple thing, that he could win the right's affections on white identity, that the GOP wasn't really fulfilling the need, and from there he can do anything, they were so desperate for a white power chieftain to adopt and amplify their grievances that they'd just go along with whatever.

Last edited by DVaut1; 11-08-2018 at 06:59 PM.
11-08-2018 , 07:30 PM
Good news everyone! McConnell says the investigation should be allowed to finish.
11-08-2018 , 07:38 PM
Just got back from the Baltimore protest. My best guess is 500 minimum... 1,000 on the high end, If I had to guess, though, it'd be like 600. I was up front so once it got dark and started extended back I couldn't really tell how far it went or how tightly packed people were.

Congressmen Sarbanes and Cummings were among the speakers. Good turnout for a first step. Glad to see the NYC one is much bigger! Looks like big turnouts in DC, NYC, Chicago so far. I'm hearing Philly, as well.
11-08-2018 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Good news everyone! McConnell says the investigation should be allowed to finish.
But on a scale of slightly concerned to deeply troubled, where was he?
11-08-2018 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Just got back from the Baltimore protest. My best guess is 500 minimum... 1,000 on the high end, If I had to guess, though, it'd be like 600. I was up front so once it got dark and started extended back I couldn't really tell how far it went or how tightly packed people were.

Congressmen Sarbanes and Cummings were among the speakers. Good turnout for a first step. Glad to see the NYC one is much bigger! Looks like big turnouts in DC, NYC, Chicago so far. I'm hearing Philly, as well.


Checked out the protest in Birmingham, literally no one there, maybe a couple folks but couldn’t tell if they were just hanging out or what.

This place sucks
11-08-2018 , 08:17 PM
The corruption is right out front. I guess we’ve got that going for us merica
11-08-2018 , 08:56 PM
tried to stop by the times square protest, but it had broken up by the time i got there (around 6:50)
11-08-2018 , 08:58 PM
Schiff: 'First move' to protect Mueller is asking Trump admin to preserve records

I mean...
11-08-2018 , 09:26 PM
Napolitano says this is not a legal appointment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...lify-under-the
11-08-2018 , 10:24 PM
Local Boston news says "thousands" were at Boston Common. We had about 300 in Arlington (one town past the end of the subway line).

https://whdh.com/news/thousands-gath...d-resignation/

I'm thinking there are lots of backup copies of Mueller documents, and that it will not be as easy as Cheney deleting an email server to delete all of those copies. So even if the investigation is blocked or shut down, the next administration will find those copies. Maybe they will bury them, as Obama did with Bush on torture, or maybe they will reveal them.
11-08-2018 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rockfsh
Napolitano says this is not a legal appointment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...lify-under-the
On Fox News! Troll of the Week material right here.
11-09-2018 , 01:37 AM
Pretty good turnout on the steps of Washington State's capitol:



11-09-2018 , 03:07 AM
I like the enthusiasm of people who went to protest. But out of 350 million in US, did at least 10,000 protest?
11-09-2018 , 03:15 AM
Just found this on /r/oklahoma

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They moved ours from 11/8 to 11/9 some time today. I have no idea why. About 20 people were at the capitol.

I guess we probably need another massive recession like what led to OWS for any sort of mass protests. But if mass protests happen again, they'll be entirely subverted by the government and corporations again, so I have no solutions.

I used to think shining the light on things via hacking and data dumps ala Jeremy Hammond had efficacy, but it's pretty clear it doesnt. Neither does voting. Neither does violence.

So basically WAAF. Enjoy perpetual servitude to your corporate overlords. Or go insane, do lots of drugs, and be dirt poor. That's the route I chose!
11-09-2018 , 04:41 AM
Even if Mueller gets blocked he is too much of a professional to allow evidence to be destroyed and a Democratic house can get all that evidence and make sure it is used to take out Trump jr. and make the Trump and the gop look bad. Trump himself was never in danger with a gop controlled senate.
11-09-2018 , 08:50 AM
I think to get a massive protest in the US you have to plan ahead and do it on a weekend. Too many people have too much faith in the institutions and too little willingness to skip work.

This was an important first step - people need to see that they aren't going to show up to a protest and find 20 people. There were big crowds in a bunch of major cities. Assuming this had no effect on Trump and Whitaker, MoveOn should schedule big ones Thanksgiving weekend in Boston, NYC, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Nashville, St Louis, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, LA, San Fran, Vegas, etc. I think you could get several million people out across the country that way.
11-09-2018 , 08:58 AM
Quick recap: Trumps lap dog Attorney General was on the board of a complete scam company and doesn’t believe in judicial review. Also he thinks the Mueller investigation is a left wing hoax.
11-09-2018 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by forum ferret
So basically WAAF. Enjoy perpetual servitude to your corporate overlords. Or go insane, do lots of drugs, and be dirt poor. That's the route I chose!
Have you considered a life of crime?
11-09-2018 , 09:42 AM
Antifa violence is everywhere

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Croatian 'fascist', 65, breaks his leg after anti-fascist monument he was trying to destroy lands on top of him*
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter_mailonline

      
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