deBlasio? Bloomberg invested billions into affordable housing too.

Here's what I don't get about this whole argument. I assume (and I suppose it's possible I'm wrong) that if Amazon built HQ2 in LIC without any subsidies at all, it would have been great for the area.

So if that is true, there is some amount of subsidy that could be given to Amazon which would make the building of HQ2 there still a net benefit to the area.

So what is that amount? How does $3 billion compare to this amount? I doubt anyone has exact numbers, but even ball-parking it would help. Has anyone conducted such an analysis in an at least halfway rigorous manner. Does anyone have any links? I semi grunching here, so if I missed one that someone posted, I apologize.

Shanghai is even worse than SF/LA in terms of urban planning. I for one want nothing to do with forced relocations and treating non-native New Yorkers as second class citizens. (You can't send your kids to school in Shanghai even if you worked there for years unless you managed, most likely through marriage, to get registered to a Shanghainese "hukou" household.) That just ain't cool. THat's even though I agree with the point even the poor residents there would prefer current Shanghai than the old one with no economic growth.

What we need is a robust public transport (which NYC already has in outer boroughs) and employment (which AMZN would have brought) for residents of more modest means than the stereotypical professionals earning 80+k annual salaries.

New York is really pretty unique in the US. We have an underutilized public transportation (outside of Manhattan especially), lots of underutilized space, and a lot of underutilized labor. We've been trying for a very long time to get an employer with enough gravitational pull to diversify away from Manhattan dominated finance/law/(to lesser extent)consulting industries to no avail. AMZN was the first real shot at making that happen in a long ****ing time. To put differently, NYC's outer boroughs can easily absorb HQ2 with pretty minimal negative effects and NYC frankly needs AMZN to become a credible tech hub and to become a "5 borough city."

This isn't some close case where benefits aren't much higher than costs. AMZN would have been a boon for NYC and its residents (particularly Queens residents). But Gianaris wanted credit for getting a better deal. GJGE.

Thread is terrible now. It went from one of the best to garbage pretty quickly.

NY State study estimated 107k jobs and over $27 billion in revenue. Some claim those numbers were overly optimistic.

But I think your premise is wrong. There is NO amount of jobs, development, or revenue that would satisfy the activists with regards to the subsidies. This was a matter of principle. It is galling to them to give any perks to a rich corporation, regardless of the eventual return on that investment. It is self defeating and only hurts their own citizens, but the feeling that they "stood up" to an evil billionaire is worth it.

Maybe goofy can have her tweets show up in a different thread so she doesn't hijack this riveting Amazon discussion

It's a zero sum game dude, they're going to build the center somewhere. Somebody is going to get those jobs. The hurt would have been to the residents of D.C. and the surrounding areas of VA.

Of course if you're looking narrowly at just this case, in isolation, the answer is "give them the inducements" just like for any one incident when doing business in the Philippines or wherever, the correct answer is "just pay the bribe". People who don't want to do that have more in mind than just where Amazon are going to build a building.

There couldn't be a better demonstration of the over-ascendancy of capital in the modern world than people defending the idea that governments should compete in arbitrage for the favour of corporations. In a sane world, corporations bow and scrape before governments, not the other way around.

I'll give somebody 3 billion to excise Scamazon from this thread.

That would more than pay for itself over the course of a few days

I see that AOC is even reluctant to post in this new Amazon thread.

Maybe somebody can tweet her on the down-low when it is safe to resume her tweeting.

Scrolling furiously to get to the bottom and ask What the hell happened to this thread? Happy to see that I'm not alone (at least I think so; I was scrolling pretty fast).

BECAUSE EVEN IF THE INTERNET EXISTED IN THE 1600S THE SHIPWRIGHTS COULDN'T JUST ATTACH A BIG ASS PIECE OF WOOD TO AN EMAIL JFC WAT AM I EVEN READING

JESUS ****ING CHRIST

Grizy, the part about working remotely in tech was merely tangential but the fact that you responded to it sincerely with "well the shipwrights 3 centureies ago didn't do it" shows that all of this is wildly above your pay grade.

And Tien makes Grizy look like Billy Sidis so imagine that.

Most of the residents there can easily move to a different neighborhood
Most of the residents there can easily move to a different neighborhood
Most of the residents there can easily move to a different neighborhood
Most of the residents there can easily move to a different neighborhood
Most of the residents there can easily move to a different neighborhood

What about the post outlining the bright new future that we mere plebs can look forward too where we serve overpriced coffee and generally cater to all the whims of the golden cognoscenti.

During all this discussion it seems that nobody is outraged that Amazon is trying to outplay states against states, cities against cities and so on.
Shouldn't it in the end be jobs for Americans no matter where Amazon moves. If Amazon would have taken the deal would other cities or States blame NY for wasting tax payer's money? I mean there are probably regions in the USA who could use 25000 jobs even more.

I had to stop myself before I took up an entire page.

There's already a long Amazon thread so this is really bizarre.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...llion-1717705/

I'm torn between saying, yes, obviously these posts should be in the Amazon thread and not here, and saying, uh oh, gregorio's bored guys we better get on that STAT! The world is the way it is because of all the Tiens and grizys and revotses, not because of the drooling deplorables, and they're ITT offering up unprecedented access to how their brain's work. That you'd find that boring is kinda wild.

like i appreciate the fact that this derail is tangentially related to some **** she tweeted about and an actual position that she holds, but ffs, this is all-star level bad posting from a select handful and it's really killing the good vibes that this thread used to provide for me. anti-amazon posters making far better points/arguments than the cheerleaders itt who have already lost the game

so stfu pls, k tks

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One thing I know is that it must be hell to square 'The Poors need to die' with 'The Poors need to stay alive to bring me my Fifty Dollar Latte".

That's fair. I'll admit I have an outsized fascination with it all.