Entry level NYC teachers with a master's degree and no prior experience make $63751. After 5 years they make $83473. They also get excellent benefits including a pension. This is for 10 months a year. They can make more with summer hours, additional education credits, etc.

I never said they were rich, I said they make a solid middle class living. Which they do. All 3 of my sisters are public school teachers, 2 in NYC. The health benefits alone are worth a lot. There are others in NYC honestly struggling to feed themselves, not sure why teachers are always trotted out as an example of oppressed workers.

Also not sure why "NY needs to compete with other states for business", is considered a crazy statement, but whatever.

I can confirm NYC teachers' health plans are baller. It's better than what top law firms, accounting firms, and investment banks were offering me.

Teachers in a lot of places (Oklahoma comes to mind) are definitely in the oppressed/underpaid/undersupported category of workers. NYC is not one of those places.

Teachers in NY make less than most Canadian provinces the exceptions being the ones with cost of living that parallels North Dakota.

NYC salary schedule.
https://www.schools.nyc.gov/docs/def...2f6c523866448f*

Toronto salary schedule (I assume this is in CDN, which is about 0.75 of a USD)
https://ett.ca/salary-grid-for-tdsb-...tary-teachers/

I also found this article:
https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/...udy-finds.html

15 years in Canada to get to 65k. 15 years in NYC system gets you 87.9 to 102k.

Unless you're telling me Toronto is an outlier and Canada average is somehow dragged down by a lot of North Dakota like provinces, it is incredible to me NYC teachers make less than most of their Canadian counterparts.

*basically nobody makes base in the NYC DoE system after a few years. The additional credits are fairly easy to get. It's basically a couple thousand dollars over the summer attending classes at a local college (over 1 to 4 summers, depending on which step you're trying to get) and then get a permanent raise worth 2-6k a year.

gtfo with "rightly suspicious"

(Left sure - far-left hardly - but the US center ground is so far to the right compared to Europe, say, that left/right labels are skewed anyway)

But regardless of that it wasn't her who got them to pull out - there were plenty of other knowledgable voices calling foul on the whole process as well - and some time ago.

More than 600 influential economists, urbanists, writers, and academics were of the same mind and signed a petition started over a year ago on change.org. (>16k signatures in all).


Support a Non-Aggression Pact for Amazon's HQ2

I haven't seen this posted here and thought it was quite succinct in highlighting the problem many have with the process Amazon used.

It's a coordination problem.

Unless every mayor takes a moral stand, almost certainly at the expense of his/her constituents, you aren't going to get the desired result of lowering the amount of subsidies companies like AMZN end up getting. We know this because obviously hundreds of mayors declined to sign that non-aggression pact.

You need federal regulation here. US would not be the first one to put limits on incentives that municipalities can offer to businesses. I'd be 100% supportive of some reg that says: "no muni bonds/guarantees on debt. no direct payments (but abatements are okay... no benefit if no jobs). no abatements beyond 10x years. (so you don't get cities to sign some stupid permanent contract)" Something along those lines I think are very much needed to make sure we as a society extract more of the positive externalties when someone like AMZN comes to town.

Actually I am not too worried about AMZN really because AMZN would bring so much positive externalties that NYC would have reaped a ton of benefits anyway. But when Hudson Yard development wanted to get billions from NYC to develop Hudson Yards and when Citi wanted billions to get an office tower in queens while actively trying to shift the jobs in those towers to India, I think we gotta look a lot closer.

But until that happens, elected officials like Gianaris are not acting in the best interest of their constituents when they chase AMZN out just because they couldn't take credit for the deal.

PS: one thing that bothers me about the "States, cities, and metropolitan regions should compete on the underlying strength of their communities" is you're basically telling some communities to die because there is no way they could compete.

LOL @ Tesla jobs thing, anyone with two brain cells realizes they are a fraud and can't exist without taxpayer subsidies designed to "save the climate" which you guys love. Can't say I know anything about the Foxconn thing. And yea I agree subsidies/outright building of sports stadiums for billionaire owners is absurd.

Having said that, for all you progressives (is that what you are going with now?). Please reconcile the following two statements:

1)We need UBI as there will be no jerbs x years from now
2)We disagree with 25,000 jobs being created with no upfront investment and 10:1 return via tax subsidy.

There are only 10 provinces. Starting in Manitoba is the same as NYC before conversion.
Ontario/BC/Alberta are all above NY.
Quebec/Regina a little below.

But 300k gets you a pretty nice place anywhere except AB/ON/BC.

SHow me. Toronto is in Ontario I am pretty sure and the teacher pay scale I found suggests they are paid well under what NYC teachers get paid. I also find it hard to believe Toronto would be paying less than rest of Ontario.

I found a bunch of grids and they look pretty similar to Toronto's.

This one for example.

http://dpsuoecta.ca/wp-content/uploa...7-Aug-2019.pdf

I don't understand the obsession with trying to show NYC teachers are underpaid. NYC, Chicago, and LA teachers are among the best paid in the country (and in the world). You don't need to insist they are underpaid to make the case that a lot of teachers in the USA are underpaid.

You can't have it all. I already admitted rent will go up, same with home prices.

You can't have economic progress, high paying job opportunities and low rent.

Something has to give. Rent (and the environment) has been taking a beating for the last century in terms of affordability.

Its not going to go backwards. Might as well embrace economic progress and allow workers to have more opportunities at higher wages. There's not another way to get higher salaries.

25 000 high paying jobs = bad. Yawn. Next.

I think there is an opportunity for a NYC politician to make this high rent situation the center of their platform.

Lol?

I'm not the one chasing away 25 000 high paying jobs and then complaining about why there aren't more stable upper middle class jobs.

You want companies to pay a living wage and when they offer to do so you chase them away!

A real mental pretzel you put yourself in.

BZZT. Those Amazon jobs weren't going to anyone currently struggling!

What do you think the Chinese people in Shanghai prefer. Before or after? Rent was cheaper though!

No, it wasn't. From the Wiki article on Amazon HQ2:

I'm not sure I see any fundamental distinction between this and "The corporation invited governments to make large cash payments to Jeff Bezos to entice it to their locality". Why should the government be allowed to make quid pro quo deals with single corporations? This sort of cozy relationship between corporations and the people who are supposed to be regulating them is a huge problem in America (well, the world in general, but America especially).

This is a weak analogy. Employers GIVE ACTUAL BAGS OF CASH to top candidates to entice them into jobs. That totally cool from governments too?

Employers operate within the free market. Governments are supposed to sit outside of the market. They're not supposed to pick winners and losers. When you offer tax breaks for specific corporations, you assist that company to the detriment of competitors. You're also offering a general advantage to large corporations over small ones because small companies don't have the leverage to negotiate these deals.

So you prefer Amazon offering to build a warehouse paying 10 000 workers 20$/hour in LIC? No? How about 30$/hr.

The highly paid Amazon workers need services during their lunch breaks and after work.

If you want to entice more investment to your local area, the way to do it that is not corruption is to pass a general law (for example, tax breaks for any company who builds a facility creating x new jobs in area y).

The Excelsior program that accounted for nearly half of Amazon's package is pretty much exactly that. Most of the rest is also incentive programs available to other developers.

We need to see where it all ends up in the end - China currently has major problems with it's housing bubble which will have knock-on effects for the global economy.

Why China Can’t Fix Its Housing Bubble

... and much more in that article.

This is such an absurd false dichotomy I can't tell if you're serious. Are you serious?

Because you saw Grizy's math?

You're on a tremendously bad posting streak.