Ran across this immediately after reading your post

That's not the Cuban flag if you're being serious.

Because of density and scale of city we are still a few years away from the truly dire situation in the Bay Area. There are decent working class nabes in AOCs district where you can buy a nice 1-2 bd apartment for <200k. Plus a huge chunk of her constituency live in coop city, a limited equity development where (i think) there is almost no waiting list and apartments are well under 50k. These areas are disappearing pretty quickly though and we certainly can't stomach too many Amazon type situations.

lol

I originally read the "No Ice" as "NOICE"

What does the Cuban flag look like with blue and red transposed?

Man if only there were other ways to spend $3B in subsidies for a trillion dollar company.

Oh well, nothing to be done now, into the bonfire the money goes.

That is definitely not SF. I mean, SF is really small, so it's not fair, but there's nowhere close that has prices like that. The is THE cheapest actual residential structure in Oakland. It's 364 square feet and $235k.

The Puerto Rican flag.

LOL you are way off. The Obama stimulus should have been way bigger, we had a rare chance after the crash to borrow money for free and do something on a massive scale infrastructure-wise which would have rebuilt our country. Unfortunately he had to scale it back because of the GOP.

Not sure what that has to do with letting 25k+ high-paying jobs (and all the accompanying infrastructure improvements and resultant economic development for LIC) walk away from your city, because you can't stand the idea of a rich guy getting tax breaks. It's self-defeating and stupid. I'm sure another location will be more than happy to have all those good jobs though.

You're right. They will go someplace other than NYC.

While we're at it we may as well get rid of all the finance and tech jobs in NYC too... think how much rents in Manhattan and Brooklyn would go down if we didn't have all those pesky high-paying jobs. Who needs a tax base anyway?

I can't believe y'all believe the 25k jobs number. WE JUST HAD Foxconn promise 'up to 13k jobs' but its gonna be being 3k jobs.

Tesla in Buffalo promised 1500 jobs for a sweet deal, got to 400, and then laid 50 OF THOSE people off in the last year.

But hurr durr 25k jobs hurr durr. Rubes.

It depends on what you mean by "NYC." Manhattan itself (sub ~70th street minus alphabet city) is in fact becoming unaffordable to the middle class but NYC has a very robust public transportation system.

Unlike SF, NYC has a legit subway system and PATH and other public options. The beginning points I am mentioning are squarely working-class neighborhoods where people can live pretty comfortably on $40-50k a year, or less.

Jersey City (JSQ station) to up to 32nd is 40 minutes on the PATH train. You can start in Newark too and make it 1 hour.

Downtown Brooklyn (think just north of Coney Island) all the way to Trump tower is about an hour on Q line.

Bronx to anywhere in Manhattan takes less than an hour (green 4/5/6 lines)

There are multiple middle class/working class neighborhoods all along the 7 line, all within an hour to 42nd street.

Forest Hills E train will take you to Trump tower in less than 40 minutes.

NJ Turnpike then transfer to ferry or Path at Newport NJ (at which point it's 20 minutes to reach Manhattan) is also another very popular option. Within about 40 minute drive all the way down to just north of Princeton is easily drivable and almost all the municipalities along the way are considered NYC metro/tristate area. Multiple bus stations along the way. There is a place called "Tower Center" that's a giant parking lot that sends out packed buses straight to Port Authority on 42nd literally back to back during morning rush hours.

I didn't even cover all the options. NJ Transit rail/buses and Long Island Railroad bring tons of commuters to Manhattan every day too.

This is how it is in most of the developed world's major cities. That whole zone the entire city into parking lots and make everyone drives thing is pretty American. You know what else that seems to be a blind spot for Americans? It's a LOT easier to just sleep for an hour or read on the subway, even standing, than it is to drive for an hour half awake.

*blinks*

This is the worldview of a 9 year old who watched some utoobs. I know you're not this dumb.

At present what is NYC's bigger problem, lack of tax base or it being so expensive that all the people who do all the jobs that don't pay $100k+ can't afford to live there?

For many areas outside NYC what is the bigger problem, people who go for higher paying tech or finance jobs leave town and head to NYC or SF, depriving the area of a tax base and leaving infrastructure, schools and such to suffer?

Seems like overall, for society, it'd be much better if Amazon opened this facility elsewhere.

the reason why amazon won't open a big campus in trumpville, USA is that tech workers don't want to live there

25k jobs would show up because Amazon needs to deliver on that to get the subsidies. I also happen to know for a fact they were already actively recruiting for HQ2.

AOC probably believes in kicking Amazon out. But I think it's pretty clear Gianaris just wanted to renegotiate the deal so he could take credit for HQ2. He's probably less happy about this whole thing than even Cuomo.

I've had jobs where I had to drive a lot (contractor for example), but never more than a 10 minute commute for an office job (well, one summer when I was 18). But if I did, I would totally read and play on my phone on mass transit instead of driving.

I figured it had something to do with Mexico.

No way man, NYC is just minutes away from losing a sizable amount of its tech workers and finance bros to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook.

I hear they have a monorail.

Apparently not New York http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...3-billion.html

You couldn't pay finance bros to move out of NYC, but if you could the naturally I would be all for it. So would most of your neighbors, I hate to break it to you. Sure would miss those taxes though, what if the subway starts having issues!

Everyone acts like Amazon coming into Queens is going to be some big jobs boon for the local residents as if they are going to hire people from the Queensbridge houses to work there to do ..... whatever executives do at a company like Amazon.

What do people do at a place like that anyway? And why on Earth do we need so many?

Some places would be hard, but there are places. Probably whatever is just beyond the suburbs for NYC would be good. People could live in whatever medium sized town that is or they could live half way in between and be close enough to NYC one way and work the other way. That or some place in North Carolina or Austin or whatever new silicon whatevers are happening somewhere else.

I just spent a week in Silicon Valley and there is nothing there you couldn't build in 30 days. For a lot less then 1.7 billion to boot.

They needed to hit 25k by 2028 for $1.2B in credits but were getting $1.4B in tax breaks regardless through office space reimbursements and REAP.

I wonder if the jobs figure would be renegotiated by Amazon in the next ten years downward. That's just fantasy talk right.

Some really smart people are roleplaying rubes. Have fun, I guess.