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January LC Thread : Survivor White House Edition

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of January?

Matthew Whitaker

9 24.32%

Kjrstyn Njielessen

7 18.92%

Sarah Huckabee Sanders

4 10.81%

Steve Mnuchin

4 10.81%

Wilbur Ross

2 5.41%

Stephen Miller

0 0%

Rod Rosenstein

3 8.11%

Roger Stone*

3 8.11%

Donald Trump Jr*

2 5.41%

Write-in

3 8.11%

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01-01-2019 , 03:42 AM

ScreaminAsian

For President

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01-01-2019 , 04:21 AM

ChrisV

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frist

01-01-2019 , 09:51 AM

kre8tive

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New Month. New Year. New Thread.

Same Bull****. **** Trump and lock up his family.

01-01-2019 , 10:25 AM

zikzak

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Writing in Ben Carson. idk why

01-01-2019 , 11:11 AM

MrWookie

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Pelosi 2019

01-01-2019 , 11:55 AM

kerowo

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Er, OK. Are you saying it's illegal to engage in sexual activity with other people? Like, of course you can consent to have someone masturbate in front of you. The issue with CK is twofold: one, that asking most of the women in the circumstances in which he asked them is sexual harassment, and two, that a lot of them did not consent. Asking and then whipping your cock out without getting an answer is simply public exposure, which I assume is a crime in every state. Just asking someone if you can jerk off in front of them is not a crime, but there could certainly be civil liability for harassment claims.

Yes, of course I'm saying sex between consenting adults is illegal. Dumbass. /r/suddenlyThat70sShow

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In addition to showing that consent occurred, a criminal defendant will also have to prove that that the person who gave consent was legally able to do so. Merely stating that an individual consented to certain actions or conduct is not enough to establish a defense of consent in criminal court. Only certain individuals have been deemed legally capable of giving consent. Under our current legal system, consent will be considered inapplicable if:

*-The consent is given by a person who does not have authorization to provide consent. Thus, an individual cannot consent to the taking of his neighbor’s property because he does not have authorization to dictate what happens to the property.
*-The consent is given by a person who is held unable to consent by virtue of being underage, having a mental disorder, or being intoxicated and therefore unable to make a reasonable judgment about the conduct.
*-The law does not allow the victim to consent, such as in the case of statutory rape.
*-The consent was not voluntarily given, but was obtained by force or duress.

In all of these circumstances, even if the criminal defendant argues that consent was obtained, courts will likely determine that the consent is legally invalid, and the defense will not apply.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/defenses/consent/

01-01-2019 , 12:37 PM

DudeImBetter

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Seventh

01-01-2019 , 12:37 PM

suzzer99

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Chiefsplanet thinks Warren is unhinged - w/o a hint of irony.

01-01-2019 , 12:43 PM

Jiggymike

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Happy New Year! Had an article queued up about how investment firms are buying and selling companies to enrich themselves and screw people who depend on pensions but now i can’t find it. Screw Trump and screw billionaires

01-01-2019 , 01:22 PM

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lol_at_you

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Chiefsplanet thinks Warren is unhinged - w/o a hint of irony.

A woman's place and all...

01-01-2019 , 01:24 PM

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Very interesting blog post about the broader lessons of the big Malaysia investment/graft scandal. 1MDB and Malaysia: Notes and Adjacent Thoughts

Three takeaways: world investments markets are by no means efficient; the "little man" theory of history; the role of the US in exemplifying and policing "good government" norms.

Of course, everything Trump-related is a boon for the global kleptocracy, but the post doesn't discuss that.

Thought: is the failure of "intelligent" Trumpers/libertarians like MM mainly a failure of knowledge (they don't understand how the system of laws/regulations/norms/standard human effort work to produce a tolerable level of shared societal prosperity) or meta-knowledge (they achieve intellectual quiescence by adoption of some simple theory that "sounds right", and so cease the effort of trying to understand a complex world)? [A difference with Trump is that he does not even require a theory--he believes in his gut reactions enough that there's no need to test or second-guess his ad hoc judgments, to an extent that simple empirical evidence is disregarded when it conflicts with his priors.]

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01-01-2019 , 01:25 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Voting Sanders, idk why.

PS: shut the holy **** up, kerowo

01-01-2019 , 01:52 PM

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kre8tive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Chiefsplanet thinks Warren is unhinged - w/o a hint of irony.

How dare she speak up against government corruption and corporate monopolies and support a universal healthcare system. She is completely out her gourd, unhinged even.

01-01-2019 , 01:55 PM

#14

microbet

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I don't know that there are any even "intelligent" Trumpers, but I suppose Mike Matisow is relatively smart in a one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind kind of way.

01-01-2019 , 01:58 PM

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dth123451

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Don Jr. has to get indicted soon. He lied to Congress, zero possible defense. Come on, Bobby.

01-01-2019 , 02:26 PM

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kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Voting Sanders, idk why.

PS: shut the holy **** up, kerowo

**** off

01-01-2019 , 03:05 PM

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Jiggymike

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Found it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...&noredirect=on

01-01-2019 , 03:22 PM

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dth123451

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That's been the business model for over 30 years; it was explicitly laid out in "Wall Street."

01-01-2019 , 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

I don't know that there are any even "intelligent" Trumpers, but I suppose Mike Matisow is relatively smart in a one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind kind of way.

Out of curiosity, what is your assessment based on?

01-01-2019 , 03:27 PM

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markksman

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Chiefsplanet thinks Warren is unhinged - w/o a hint of irony.

They are racist against our indigenous people, that much is clear based on the team they root for.

01-01-2019 , 03:30 PM

#21

microbet

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Out of curiosity, what is your assessment based on?

My assessment of Mike Matisow or Trumpers in general?

And my post was not serious. I didn't know who the "MM" was in simplicitus' post. I know it wasn't Mike Matisow, but he came up recently, so I joke-guessed him. I guess I have a communication problem where I presume people are privy to my thoughts.

01-01-2019 , 03:31 PM

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markksman

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

I read that too. I feel like the place had a Sun in it. The most recent victim were Marsh supermarkets. They buy companies, strip and sell all the assets and then file bankruptcy discharging pension and other obligations.

It absolutely should be criminal. One of the heads of the firm is co owner of the 76ers I think so lol Philadelphia as always.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...b8f_story.html

01-01-2019 , 03:32 PM

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When Sun bought Marsh Supermarkets, the company had three retirement plans. One for the top five Marsh executives, one for the store employees, and one for the warehouse workers.

Only the executives’ plan, however, was fully funded under the sales agreement: With the completion of Sun’s purchase, Marsh’s top five executives were to be awarded $14 million in retirement payments, according to company financial documents. Among them: CEO Don Marsh at $7 million and corporate counsel P. Lawrence Butt at $2.2 million.

Meanwhile, the other two retirement plans — the worker pensions — were short millions of dollars.

The pension for store employees — deli clerks, cashiers, store managers — was underfunded by $32 million at the time of the bankruptcy. Most of that burden will be placed on the government insurer, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., which will restore virtually all of what the 4,000 store employees entitled to pensions were owed in retirement.

The pension covering the company’s warehouse workers fared worst.

At the time of the bankruptcy, Marsh Supermarkets was behind in its obligations to that pension by $55 million, and because of the way that pension is organized, the shortfall is likely to help cause significant cuts to pension checks for retirees and accelerate financial woes of the government’s pension insurer.

Of course.

I really don't know the answer here. Probably some massive bankruptcy law overhaul that will never happen.

01-01-2019 , 03:33 PM

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microbet

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Originally Posted by markksman

They are racist against our indigenous people, that much is clear based on the team they root for.

BOOM

01-01-2019 , 03:37 PM

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microbet

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Of course.

I really don't know the answer here. Probably some massive bankruptcy law overhaul that will never happen.

I suppose there's a legal priority in who gets the assets during a bankruptcy, the lenders or stockholders or the employees. I suppose people who set those priorities own a lot of stocks, bonds and such or at least get a lot of campaign contributions from people who do.

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