I doubt that was the ACLU's intent, and perhaps not Kennedy's or Schumer's, but given Clinton's penchant for compromise with Republicans I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

In the case of the ACLU, however, how did their team of top flight attorneys not forsee this potential issue?

Now that I've answered your question how about you answer mine: did every House Republican and almost every Senate Republican vote yes so that natives could use peyote?

Schumer was a yea on the Defense of Marriage Act, so I'm also comfortable lumping him in with Clinton on this one.

Well it's not like it slowed down under Clinton either.....

What is the relevance of federal RFRA to state antidiscrimination laws?

The slope gets steeper right around the mid 90s. The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was passed in 94.

Signed into law by the liberal icon Bill Clinton, "three strikes" goes to show you that maybe bi partisan cooperation is not the way to get effective fair legislation passed. Between this horror show and the "anti" PATRIOT act it just goes to show when both sides work together everyone loses

Fly will be along shortly to lick the poop off the Clinton's boots fear not

An older WaPo piece about the problems with RFRA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.006145e95e13

In my research I also found that the ACLU no longer supports the bill, as written. Anyone who cares enough can find that on their own.

"liberal icon Bill Clinton"

Of course I don't disagree, but who are you talking to? The "think globally, act locally" crowd votes for and makes those CAFE standards and plastic bans happen. So, that's a raised by wolves argument. On the other hand there are a lot of people who, for example, are incensed about global warming and take virtually no consideration of it outside of complaining and maybe voting.

The one exception to that is a breed of conservativish libertarianish anti-government type I run across who get solar, but don't like the government making any environmental policy.

As far as the bags go, like I said, imo the burden is on you if you want to claim "proper disposal" is ok. You don't get to just do a thought experiment about what happens to the bags you put in the trash.

heh.

Agreed. When your "enemies" are in near unanimous support of your proposal then either:

1.) A second look should be taken for a possible application of the law which was overlooked when drafting it.

2.) The public should stop believing that the relationship between the two parties is as adversarial as we are led to believe.

Smart man!

If that's your takeaway from this graph, one tiny change that you have to squint to see, holy ****ing ****. This was your claim:

And your response to that graph is "but that one little blip in the steep upward slope" well into the mass incarceration crisis? GTFO.

JFC it's obvious the problem began before Clinton's crime bill. How in the world does that let him off the hook for making the problem worse?

It lets him off the hook for being responsible for the problem, as you claimed he was, since he...kinda wasn't!

He could've helped stem the tide by opposing the crime bill and encouraging other Democrats in congress to do the same. Instead he added fuel to the fire. I'm more than comfortable assigning him a share of the blame. Does he bear sole responsibility? Of course not. I apologize if the previous post was misleading.

It's incredible to me, however, that the so called liberals in this forum will bemoan the constant rightward shift of the Overton Window in this country and then immediately rush to the defense of any Democrat who aided and abetted in that process. Settling for, or being content with, people like Clinton simply because they aren't as bad as their Republican counterparts is exactly how that happens!

Dessin or Eciture or whatever he calls himself was right. Until a left wing version of the Tea Party starts to primary some of these mother****ers we're just blowing smoke.

Weren't people still freaking out about DnD being satanic when Clinton took office?

Maybe this is just a "you had to be there" thing, but things were a lot different back then. Yeah, bill gets some of the blame for his part, but the trends were obviously moving in a bad direction and losing his presidency because he was "weak on crime" (notice how trump still dusts off this old chestnut) would have made things even worse.

Yeah, three strikes was bad, but what do you think republicans would have passed by themselves?

Bill Clinton: Hey, he was better than Reagan!

He would've never been reelected. You realize that the appearance of being weak on crime was a serious issue with Dems? Dukakis lost an election because of it.

No, the panic over that satanic nonsense was in the late 80s. Naughty lyrics in rap music was the great moral panic around the time of Bill Clinton's administration. Who lead that charge? Tipper Gore.

Although I must say watching Frank Zappa and Dee Snider(!) testify before congress on CSPAN and absolutely tear those people a new one is a fond memory.

? It was a ****ty bill and Clinton is ****ty for passing it. Pointing out that you're wrong doesn't by itself mean we're defending the bill or defending Clinton, we're just helping you back to reality.

Don't ask don't tell was seen as progressive at the time.

Your second paragraph is the same old BS. Dems need to sidle up to the GOP as close as possible and take everyone who is more progressive for granted. There are a lot of people though that actually want someone to vote for (like Obama) and not just someone to vote against.

3 strikes is exactly what the GOP would have done.

Cool story. Voting for Clinton is still not equivalent to voting for Donald ****ing Trump.

That's hardly the only reason Dukakis lost. Seriously, his being short was probably just a big a handicap. As far as Willy Horton goes, maybe calling it BS instead of riding around in a tank would have been a better response.

I never equated them? Clinton > Trump and Clinton = fascist are not mutually exclusive.

No, you just started an entire derail in protest when Trolly said they were different.