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View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of January?
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III
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01-24-2018 , 12:09 AM
I lack knowledge.

My memory is
(1) The flu virus mutates rapidly, all the time.
(2) The flu virus can hop between chickens, pigs, people. Places that have a lot of those close together are the source for the flu for a season.
(3) Virus samples are taken from source locations in the pre-season and are used to make the vaccine. If the variety that takes hold matches the samples chosen then the vaccine will be effective. If it isn't a good match then the vaccine is useless.
01-24-2018 , 12:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman
I feel like in terms of how we treat people in this country the three worst are:

1) slavery
2) slaughtering Indians
3) internment camps

and moving into 4th
4) Kicking out dreamers
Slavery extends to the Black Codes and Jim Crow and segregation.
Mass incarceration and the drug war are pretty high up there.

In terms of being the baddies though, the USA has treated people outside the country very badly many times.
01-24-2018 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Like most decent people I abhor violence, so I'm just sticking up for the victim imo. I concentrate my sentencing outrage more towards crimes without unprovoked violence fwiw
right, there's plenty of too harsh sentences handed out in USA#1. Drugs, life without parole for a 14 year old kid, etc. Being outraged over some guy who gets like 3 months per broken bone he inflicts seems like kind of an odd hill to die on though.
01-24-2018 , 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
Story?
I was on vacation with my family when I was 19. I had just gotten there that afternoon and had a pretty bad cold. This was a place we visited every winter so I knew a lot of the people my age there. However since I was sick I had been resting that evening.

I went over to where my parents where staying to say hi. On the way back to my room I stopped on the edge of the property. This place was right on the beach so there was a big open grass are separated from the sand by about 15-20 feet of shrubbery. In that shrubbery was a path to go between the grass and the sand.

It was dark and I could not really see onto the beach as I stood on the grass. I was just hanging out by myself when a group of four or five guys came up from the beach. I looked at them nodded and said “what’s up”. Not really recognizing any of them but not being able to see much.

One of the guys stepped up to me while saying “What did you say?” And open handed slapped me landing on the right side of my face. I instantly fell to the ground and blood was just pouring out of my mouth. He had broken my jaw on the right side and pushed it out the other side which broke as well.

The guy who did it was a local and besides the other guys there people I know knew who it was. I never had to testify in court because he took a plea but since he had a history he still ended up with five years.

I know some people might be skeptical this 19 year old kid said and did nothing to bring this on or antagonize 5he situation but it absolutely went down as described. The only thing I said was “What’s up”. I ended up in the hospital for Christmas and had my jaw wired shut for six weeks. I also had to hav3 a lot of follow up work done including additional surgeries. The weirdest side effect was my lower lip was numb for about eight years after the incident.
01-24-2018 , 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman
I feel like in terms of how we treat people in this country the three worst are:

1) slavery
2) slaughtering Indians
3) internment camps

and moving into 4th
4) Kicking out dreamers
5) perpetrators of lawncare assaults
01-24-2018 , 12:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules22
I don't care what you think about the victim, if you think an appropriate penalty for directly contributing to anyone's death via no look assualting them is one year, you are kind of a loon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
If he tackled him on grass and that's all that happened it's a pretty freak thing that 6 ribs were broken.
It's fair to say that the law is results oriented in some ways, but not to the absurd extent that's been suggested ITT. I mean, if you slap someone in the heat of the moment and set into motion some weird Rube Goldberg mechanism that leads to a completely unexpected death via pneumonia, that's treated a bit differently than hitting them over the head with a club because they owe you money. The intent and context does sort of matter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I lack knowledge.

My memory is
(1) The flu virus mutates rapidly, all the time.
(2) The flu virus can hop between chickens, pigs, people. Places that have a lot of those close together are the source for the flu for a season.
(3) Virus samples are taken from source locations in the pre-season and are used to make the vaccine. If the variety that takes hold matches the samples chosen then the vaccine will be effective. If it isn't a good match then the vaccine is useless.
I understand some viruses can go into latency for a while. A minute of googling and I'm not sure if that's the case for the flu or not.
01-24-2018 , 12:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
Slavery extends to the Black Codes and Jim Crow and segregation.
Mass incarceration and the drug war are pretty high up there.

In terms of being the baddies though, the USA has treated people outside the country very badly many times.
Yeah I left out external horribleness because it just gets too massive.

I agree with you on mass incarnation/ drug wars and how our criminal justice system operates is up there.
01-24-2018 , 12:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman
I know some people might be skeptical this 19 year old kid said and did nothing to bring this on or antagonize 5he situation but it absolutely went down as described. The only thing I said was “What’s up”. I ended up in the hospital for Christmas and had my jaw wired shut for six weeks. I also had to hav3 a lot of follow up work done including additional surgeries. The weirdest side effect was my lower lip was numb for about eight years after the incident.
Dunno why anyone would be skeptical. Dude out with 4 other aholes out to fight and bully people alone isn't unheard of. He must have hit you really hard in just the wrong place. That sounds pretty bad.
01-24-2018 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It's fair to say that the law is results oriented in some ways, but not to the absurd extent that's been suggested ITT. I mean, if you slap someone in the heat of the moment and set into motion some weird Rube Goldberg mechanism that leads to a completely unexpected death via pneumonia, that's treated a bit differently than hitting them over the head with a club because they owe you money. The intent and context does sort of matter.
The Paul case is being treated differently than if Boucher had intended to break Paul's ribs! If he had maliciously and purposefully sought to injure Paul as severely as he ended up injuring him then he probably would be looking at ten years. And if Paul dies of pneumonia it would be treated differently than if Boucher shot and killed him. Probably 10 years in prison compared to life in prison. So of course the intent and context matters. But the injuries Boucher inflicts matter as well.
01-24-2018 , 12:25 AM
I had a friend that had a similar thing happen. He said whats up, guy said sucker, he gave them a the finger behind his back...then i found out when we had 10 guys following us. No broke stuff though. In Nantucket of all places.
01-24-2018 , 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkubus
Influenza is an airborne disease. When swine flu was the big scare du jour I was still working in healthcare and anytime we transferred someone from our facility to the local general hospital they had to be tested there and upon return. The tests are done using nasal swabs.
Hmm. Well this episode of scifri may have been what I heard.

Quote:
LICHTMAN: And how - what's its favorite way to travel?

BOUVIER: That's a good question, also, and it's something we don't fully have the answer to. Now, you can imagine many different ways for a respiratory virus like flu to transmit. It can transmit through the air, either because somebody coughs or sneezes a bunch of - you know, sprays on you, or because once the droplet dries out, it can hang in the air for hours and hours and hours, and you can maybe breathe it in later.

You could also imagine that if somebody rubs their nose and either shakes your hand, and then you touch your nose, or if they touch a doorknob that you subsequently touch and then touch your nose, that's a contact transmission. And probably, it transmits by all of these routes, but we actually don't know which one is the most important and which one is most common among humans.
http://www.wbur.org/npr/169708755/ho...nd-off-the-flu
01-24-2018 , 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It's fair to say that the law is results oriented in some ways, but not to the absurd extent that's been suggested ITT. I mean, if you slap someone in the heat of the moment and set into motion some weird Rube Goldberg mechanism that leads to a completely unexpected death via pneumonia, that's treated a bit differently than hitting them over the head with a club because they owe you money. The intent and context does sort of matter.
Whatever the law and sentencing are in practice, it's complicated because there's punishment, justice, deterrence, and reform/rehabilitation, etc. A lot of different concepts and some aspects should not be based on results at all and some probably should somewhat.
01-24-2018 , 12:32 AM
"...I stood on the grass." It seems like this is a key detail in both the markksman and Paul cases. Lesson learned, I would think.
01-24-2018 , 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman
...It was dark and I could not really see onto the beach as I stood on the grass. I was just hanging out by myself when a group of four or five guys came up from the beach. I looked at them nodded and said “what’s up”. Not really recognizing any of them but not being able to see much.

One of the guys stepped up to me while saying “What did you say?” And open handed slapped me landing on the right side of my face. I instantly fell to the ground and blood was just pouring out of my mouth. He had broken my jaw on the right side and pushed it out the other side which broke as well.

The guy who did it was a local and besides the other guys there people I know knew who it was. I never had to testify in court because he took a plea but since he had a history he still ended up with five years.
In this US there are a lot of incarcerated people who shouldn't be there.

This guy is not one of them.
01-24-2018 , 12:50 AM
He was also required to pay me restitution but I got one check for like $4.52.
01-24-2018 , 12:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by uDevil
"...I stood on the grass." It seems like this is a key detail in both the markksman and Paul cases. Lesson learned, I would think.
01-24-2018 , 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
WTF I assumed Manning was just there to troll.
Manning is a confused idiot living in a strange and incomprehensible world.
01-24-2018 , 01:15 AM
01-24-2018 , 01:20 AM
rofl
01-24-2018 , 01:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
If he had maliciously and purposefully sought to injure Paul as severely as he ended up injuring him then he probably would be looking at ten years...
And if it isn't clear that he intended to maliciously and purposefully murder Rand with a flying pneumonia tackle over a lawncare dispute, he probably doesn't wind up looking at ten years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by simplicitus
Manning is a confused idiot living in a strange and incomprehensible world.
Aren't we all, though?
01-24-2018 , 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman
I got the flu really bad like 15 years ago. It was so bad that I realized I had never really had the flu before. Since then I have gotten a flu shot every year. Until this year...

When I ended up getting the flu almost two months ago I was kicking myself for not getting the flu shot but then I saw the vaccine was basically worthless this year. I was very worried with this flu as I have had a lot of respitory issues in my life and given the tragic outcomes this particular flu season I was pretty worried.

I am sorry for your relative Namath. That is very bad news.

I think this should be an eye opener for people that thought we had a solid medical hold on spreading viruses, diseases and related pandemics.

Can with the knowledge explain how something like the flu virus perpetuates outside of flu season? Are people carrying it all year and then it spreads during the winter? I was having this discussion with someone the other day and do not really understand the overall life cycle of the flu.
People get the flu year-round, but its rate of transmission increases during the winter for reasons no one really understands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season

I think the point about "never having the flu before" is probably not true, because it is pretty common. There's a lot of different subtypes of influenza, some of which are deadly serious and some of which are not a huge deal for healthy adults. If you have a substantial fever and you're laid out with exhaustion or body pains, my nonmedical understanding is that you typically have the flu.

Absolutely everyone should get the vaccine though even (or maybe especially) if it's not working very well that season. The flu is not going to kill you, but it could definitely kill someone you give it to.
01-24-2018 , 11:38 AM
Think of ol' Silverman every time I see one lol
01-24-2018 , 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobman0330
People get the flu year-round, but its rate of transmission increases during the winter for reasons no one really understands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season

I think the point about "never having the flu before" is probably not true, because it is pretty common. There's a lot of different subtypes of influenza, some of which are deadly serious and some of which are not a huge deal for healthy adults. If you have a substantial fever and you're laid out with exhaustion or body pains, my nonmedical understanding is that you typically have the flu.

Absolutely everyone should get the vaccine though even (or maybe especially) if it's not working very well that season. The flu is not going to kill you, but it could definitely kill someone you give it to.

Thanks that answers my questions.
01-24-2018 , 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
right, there's plenty of too harsh sentences handed out in USA#1. Drugs, life without parole for a 14 year old kid, etc. Being outraged over some guy who gets like 3 months per broken bone he inflicts seems like kind of an odd hill to die on though.
Dude, one time that guy got 3 months for rape, therefore logic, etc, 3 months per broken bone is far too long. QED.
01-24-2018 , 04:57 PM
Go back to posting your misogynistic BS in the other thread.

      
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