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06-03-2014 , 04:55 PM
your body of work ITT does a pretty good job of identifying you as a racist team member. few others here indicate the blatant bias or disregard for the other side that you maintain throughout the thread. maybe watch a time to kill or take empathy training i duno how to help someone so far gone

put in 2p2 politics terms for easy comprehension: you are the ike of this thread.
06-03-2014 , 05:20 PM
Will a U.S. shift of it's military focus toward Europe mean the end of the blocking of the international consensus on a two state solution and therefore an end to Israel's ethnic cleansing scheme?

It looks as though we are going to or have already recognized the new Palestinian unity government, much to Israel's chagrin. I couldn't even find the development in the mainstream news yet so I had to go straight to the State Department website for a link:

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QUESTION: What is the U.S. Government’s view of the so-called Palestinian unity government that was sworn in today by Palestinian President Abbas?

MS. PSAKI: Well, at this point, it appears that President Abbas has formed an interim technocratic government that does not include ministers affiliated with Hamas. Moving forward, we will be judging this government by its actions. Based on what we know now, we intend to work with this government, but we’ll be watching closely to ensure that it upholds the principles that President Abbas reiterated today.
The emphasis is mine. There it is. That is significant news and good news for human rights.
06-03-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Will a U.S. shift of it's military focus toward Europe mean the end of the blocking of the international consensus on a two state solution and therefore an end to Israel's ethnic cleansing scheme?

It looks as though we are going to or have already recognized the new Palestinian unity government, much to Israel's chagrin. I couldn't even find the development in the mainstream news yet so I had to go straight to the State Department website for a link:



The emphasis is mine. There it is. That is significant news and good news for human rights.
Lol your rhetoric is of course ridiculous, but:

Man, crazy how those Zionists have the US government in their back pocket, right?

Let's put Deuces' celebrating into context:

Hamas: "We'll never recognize Israel"

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — “Hamas will not recognize Israel,” Mousa Abu Marzouk, deputy chairman of Hamas’ political bureau, told Al-Monitor in an exclusive interview.

“This is a red line that cannot be crossed,” said the 63-year-old Hamas leader who played a pivotal role in achieving the reconciliation deal with Fatah on April 23.
Hamas: We'll continue "armed resistance" (i.e. murdering Israeli civilians) in West Bank

I guess only Arabs have human rights.

And, the key is really this:
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The makeup of the government also shows how well Abbas managed to tie Hamas’s hands. All the central ministries were handed to Abbas cronies. (At the last minute, Abbas agreed to let the Ministry of Prisoner Affairs remain, under Shuki al-Issa.) No Hamas (or Fatah) members will sit in the new government, and it will recognize Israel and past agreements as well as renouncing violence and terror.

So far, Abbas got everything he asked for. So why did Hamas agree to the deal? Because it is on the verge of bankruptcy. Its financial and public standing shaky, it can now spin its relinquishing of power as a step “in the name of unity.”
And Congress has already begun moves to block funding of the PA as required under US law, which prohibits funding of a terrorist organization (which Hamas is classified as).

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Ros-Lehtinen, who chairs the House Foreign Affairs panel on the Middle East, said in a statement. “U.S. law is clear on the prohibition of U.S. assistance to a unity Palestinian government that includes Hamas, a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization, and President [Barack] Obama must not allow one cent of American taxpayer money to help fund this terrorist group.”

Her Democratic counterpart on the subcommittee, Ted Deutch of Florida, issued a similar warning. “President Abbas now stands at a pivotal crossroad — does he want peace with Israel or reconciliation with Hamas?” Deutch said. “Be certain that the Palestinian Authority will face significant consequences if a unity government is formed that includes terrorist members of Hamas.”
06-04-2014 , 05:52 AM
Yet, again Gamblor's own citations counter his own arguments. He says we are supposed to think, like a certain yahoo, that Hamas bluster is the most important thing here. Then he puts up this quote:

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The makeup of the government also shows how well Abbas managed to tie Hamas’s hands. All the central ministries were handed to Abbas cronies. (At the last minute, Abbas agreed to let the Ministry of Prisoner Affairs remain, under Shuki al-Issa.) No Hamas (or Fatah) members will sit in the new government, and it will recognize Israel and past agreements as well as renouncing violence and terror.
Emphasis mine. lol I must have read 5 or 6 articles about the new unity government and none of them had much to say definitively about the composition wrt to Hamas appointees. Thanks again Gamblor. Are you starting to see the light? Is that possible? It's like every post of yours is self sabotage.

The takeaway here is that the new unity government is new, not Hamas. Should we grade the Likud party's reciprocity wrt recognition? Because most of them don't even support a two state solution. Should Israel have denounced the U.S. because David Duke was elected to congress? This is your logic.

I love the desperate sounding "congress has already begun moves to block funding of the PA". What "moves"? Is there a bill? Does veto still exist? Can the executive branch still support the government diplomatically? Does the bill say Europe can't give aid because they are also going to recognize the unity government.

You mean that Israel's U.S. constituency is trying to discredit the unity government the day after it was formed. Wow Gamblor that's a fresh perspective. Between tripe like that and, your total dishonesty (plagiarism, denial of wrongful killings plainly caught on tape, and general sophistry) I don't know what this thread would be without you.
06-04-2014 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenSmoke85
your body of work ITT does a pretty good job of identifying you as a racist team member. few others here indicate the blatant bias or disregard for the other side that you maintain throughout the thread. maybe watch a time to kill or take empathy training i duno how to help someone so far gone

put in 2p2 politics terms for easy comprehension: you are the ike of this thread.
lol postmodernism itt. sweet circular argument bro

Last edited by Gamblor; 06-04-2014 at 08:33 AM.
06-04-2014 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Yet, again Gamblor's own citations counter his own arguments. He says we are supposed to think, like a certain yahoo, that Hamas bluster is the most important thing here. Then he puts up this quote:
Here is some more "Hamas bluster" we should totally ignore.
06-04-2014 , 08:13 PM
Gamblor I will give you a shortcut to get you up to speed on what's going on here. Get used to this fact: new unity government DOES NOT EQUAL hamas. Just read that again and again and then everything will make more sense. You might also want to get it through you head that Europe and the U.S. recognize the unity government. This will leave Israel isolated if they don't follow suit. You better recognize, is basically the point here.

If I know N Yahoo, his response will include ramping up settlement expansion and killing more Palestinian kids in attempts to get Hamas to jump. He should be careful that he isn't actually subsidizing future Palestinian homes. Then again, I hear Israel is stocked up on bulldozers. Give them away, tear them down, either way GTFO in my estimation.
06-04-2014 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Gamblor I will give you a shortcut to get you up to speed on what's going on here. Get used to this fact: new unity government DOES NOT EQUAL hamas. Just read that again and again and then everything will make more sense. You might also want to get it through you head that Europe and the U.S. recognize the unity government. This will leave Israel isolated if they don't follow suit. You better recognize, is basically the point here.

If I know N Yahoo, his response will include ramping up settlement expansion and killing more Palestinian kids in attempts to get Hamas to jump. He should be careful that he isn't actually subsidizing future Palestinian homes. Then again, I hear Israel is stocked up on bulldozers. Give them away, tear them down, either way GTFO in my estimation.
Why don't I get you up to speed: I follow over a dozen Arab, PalArab, and Israeli newspapers daily, with editorial bents on the right, left, and in between, discussing the news and the conflict in the native languages and directed at local populations. You know, the ones who are actually directly affected by the conflict. That's when I'm not watching the Channel 2 news. Or London et Kirshenbaum or some other s***. Or even f***ing Eretz Nehederet.

You read the occasional op-ed or the occasional Hickville Times 16th page article written by some publicity-seeking "expert" who hasn't set foot in Israel in decades. Or Mondoweiss. When you aren't distracted by video games.

STFU. I'm aware of what's going on.

Last edited by Gamblor; 06-04-2014 at 10:14 PM.
06-04-2014 , 10:39 PM
Deuces once stayed in a Holiday Inn Express though.
06-05-2014 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
Why don't I get you up to speed: I follow over a dozen Arab, PalArab, and Israeli newspapers daily, with editorial bents on the right, left, and in between, discussing the news and the conflict in the native languages and directed at local populations. You know, the ones who are actually directly affected by the conflict. That's when I'm not watching the Channel 2 news. Or London et Kirshenbaum or some other s***. Or even f***ing Eretz Nehederet.
Fat people exercise and diet a lot. That doesn't mean they are ready to run the marathon. So what's your point?

You can read all the news you want but it is not going to necessarily benefit your perspective, which is poisoned by precepts of ethnic supremacy and state loyalty.

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STFU. I'm aware of what's going on.
If you knew what was going on you would be upset. You are upset. So you very well may be partly aware, even if on a subconscious level, of what is going on.
06-05-2014 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Fat people exercise and diet a lot. That doesn't mean they are ready to run the marathon. So what's your point?

You can read all the news you want but it is not going to necessarily benefit your perspective, which is poisoned by precepts of ethnic supremacy and state loyalty.



If you knew what was going on you would be upset. You are upset. So you very well may be partly aware, even if on a subconscious level, of what is going on.
Was this intended to be parody?
06-10-2014 , 10:50 AM
Unity is really taking hold in the PA.

Isn't it wonderful, Hamas and Fateh, together at last, we should all now expect a unified Palestinian government that can negotiate freely with Israel.

Wait.

Hamas continues to shut down banks in Gaza
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Media reports said that the elements of the Hamas police prevented any employee from approaching the banks, as the banks themselves are prevented staff from entering their places of work, noting that the bank was ordered closed by the official "leadership of security in Gaza."
What happened is that Abu Mazen didn't pay the thousands of Hamas workers who took over the jobs done by Fatah workers after the Hamas Gaza coup.

Meanwhile, Hamas politicians have been demanding the unity agreement be repudiated immediately:
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Said Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya consensus that the government made a mistake in dealing with staff and repudiated the reconciliation agreement.
And, naturally:

Abbas' security forces lay the smack down on Hamas protesters

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Police broke up a Hamas rally in the West Bank late on Monday. Hassan Yousef, a Hamas leader, said officers stopped a convoy of 30 cars, seized Hamas banners and beat him and other protesters as well as journalists.

The Islamic militant Hamas seized the Gaza Strip in 2007, leaving Abbas only with parts of the West Bank. Last week's formation of a technocrat unity government was meant to end the split.

But tensions escalated and Hamas forced Gaza banks to stay closed for the past week amid a dispute with Abbas over salaries for its loyalists
Unity!
06-10-2014 , 07:31 PM
When your only tool is apartheid, everything looks like a unity.
06-10-2014 , 07:37 PM
So Gamblor are you implying that entrenched political rivalry doesn't cease instantly with no snags, amidst ideological reorientation and bureaucratic meshing? Thanks for more fresh perspective.
06-10-2014 , 07:40 PM
We def need some mo' hot fresh apartheid takes.
06-10-2014 , 08:29 PM
Lou must have joined most of the world who do see the apartheid since he is saying it's a stale or resolved issue. That's quite a feat for an American. Welcome.
06-10-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Lou must have joined most of the world who do see the apartheid since he is saying it's a stale or resolved issue. That's quite a feat for an American. Welcome.
Oh my god this post has it all. Deluded ignorance, self-righteous authority, elitist condescension. The Deuces McCracken trifecta. Just amazing.
06-10-2014 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Lou must have joined most of the world who do see the apartheid since he is saying it's a stale or resolved issue. That's quite a feat for an American. Welcome.
Change it up a little. Maybe you work in Israel and the rape of nanking comparisons.
06-10-2014 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
Oh my god this post has it all. Deluded ignorance, self-righteous authority, elitist condescension. The Deuces McCracken trifecta. Just amazing.
I was more impressed with my hammer/nail analogy retooling.

Gamblor have you noticed that the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state is NOT being talked about as a condition of continued recognition of the new unity government? Maybe that is because the racist nature of such a condition IS being recognized.
06-10-2014 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Change it up a little. Maybe you work in Israel and the rape of nanking comparisons.
Hey, if you can't address my charges seriously just make snarky comments right? That way you're not doing nothing, right? OK. But you are saying nothing.
06-10-2014 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I was more impressed with my hammer/nail analogy retooling.

Gamblor have you noticed that the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state is NOT being talked about as a condition of continued recognition of the new unity government? Maybe that is because the racist nature of such a condition IS being recognized.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, this is why absolutely nothing at all is being talked about:

(Recall that, to Hamas, all Jews in Israel are settlers)
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“We call on the men of resistance in the West Bank, primarily the Al-Qassam Brigades, to fulfill their duty in protecting the prisoners on hunger strike by targeting the occupation soldiers and its settlers,” (i.e. civilians) Hamas spokesman Hussam Badran wrote on his Facebook page Monday.

Israel suspended all negotiations with the Palestinians in the wake of the government’s formation, saying it was not prepared to maintain contact with a government backed by Hamas, designated a terrorist organization by Israel, the US and much of the West. The US and much of the international community took an opposite stance, and argued that the new Palestinian government’s ministers were not “affiliated” with Hamas. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has said the new government recognizes Israel, accepts past agreements with Israel and renounces terrorism. Hamas spokesmen have said the group’s position on Israel, which it seeks to destroy, has not changed.
06-10-2014 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Hey, if you can't address my charges seriously just make snarky comments right? That way you're not doing nothing, right? OK. But you are saying nothing.
I will endeavor to reduce the snark. I didn't take your apartheid comment on Gamblor's post regarding the difficulties of the PA's unity government seriously.
06-11-2014 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
If I know N Yahoo, his response will include ramping up settlement expansion
Wow it's like I'm psychic. How do it do it? I posted this on the 4th and here this article comes on the 5th:

Housing minister says plan for 1,500 units in West Bank and east Jerusalem is in response to new Palestinian Unity government.

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"When Israel is spat upon, it has to do something about it," said Ariel, a far-right member of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition. Asked who had insulted Israel, he replied: "Our neighbours, and to a certain extent, the world."
It's scary to think that this rogue state, determined to continue to break international law in a mass ethnic cleansing effort, has nukes and is willing to go it alone.

Notice the expansion had been continuing so there is really nothing new here besides the antagonistic attribution and timing.
06-12-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Wow it's like I'm psychic. How do it do it? I posted this on the 4th and here this article comes on the 5th:

Housing minister says plan for 1,500 units in West Bank and east Jerusalem is in response to new Palestinian Unity government.
lol so? This has been standard procedure for almost a decade. Palestinian Arab leaders act like *******s, Israel announces housing approvals. Congratulations, you have basic pattern recognition skills.

Anyhoo, the minister issued approvals 1,500 units, but how many of those actually get built?

Peace Now/Shalom Achshav has an outline of the process here, if you have any interest in educating yourself (who are we kidding, you don't).

But according to that website, each house undergoes as many as 8 different approvals before building can actually begin. But media does not distinguish between different stages of approval, so for all of the thousands and thousands of approvals, we need to know how many actual houses get built.

And, naturally, despite the screaming and bitching, even from President Obama (who appears to be grossly misinformed on the issue), the actual number of housing starts in the entire West Bank is down severely:
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Overall there were 2,580 new starts in West Bank settlements in 2013, a sharp rise from 1,190 starts in 2012. But the largest number of starts – 981 – occurred in the first quarter of 2013.

In the first three months of 2014, in contrast, there were only 232 housing starts in settlements.

The number of finished homes also fell, dropping by 38.9%, from 257 in the first quarter of 2013 to 157 in the first three months of this year. Again that number was vastly different from the 2% nationwide dip in the number of finished homes.
So it appears there is a deliberate policy of slowing down housing construction in the West Bank, and 150 homes per quarter to cover an annual increase of about 7,500 (or 1,800 pro-rated for consistency) people last year is causing families to be choked. But human rights only apply to Palestinian Arabs, so no worries there.

But none of this matters. Because, governments are starting to wise up. As I've posted several times, the "illegality" of the settlements is hardly a settled issue. The government of Australia has courageously acknowledged this fact. The "illegal" nature of the "occupation" has been universally accepted on political grounds, with the actual, objective, legal analysis having taken a back seat.

Fortunately, Eugene Kontorovich, Professor of International Law at Northwestern University, has penned a thorough, tightly-argued analysis of the legal issues at play when calling the West Bank "occupied" - in light of the recent Russian takeover of Crimea. The tl/dr is that actual law supports Israel's claim to the West Bank, and UN resolutions simply do not reflect international law unless there is a political incentive to do so:
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Israel should not be too put out by the international community’s failure to apply its general rules to the Jewish state’s rights, for the Ukrainian crisis also shows the limits of those rules. Ukraine may enjoy international backing for its claims while Israel does not. But the Ukrainian crisis also shows that when it comes to action, the international community will be driven primarily by the exigencies and conveniences of the moment, not by considerations of legality or past promises.
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
It's scary to think that this rogue state, determined to continue to break international law in a mass ethnic cleansing effort, has nukes and is willing to go it alone.

Notice the expansion had been continuing so there is really nothing new here besides the antagonistic attribution and timing.
This is absolutely, full blown, ignoramus crazy. You don't seem to provide any evidence for what a rogue state is, what ethnic cleansing is, what international law is, whether Israel has nukes, and what Israel's level of integration with the international community is. Calling me a propagandist is the most blatant example of psychological projection I've ever witnessed.

Last edited by Gamblor; 06-12-2014 at 02:46 PM.
06-14-2014 , 07:59 PM
Three Israeli teens, including American citizen, kidnapped in "West Bank"

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The teens have been missing since late Thursday or Friday, having last been seen around Gush Etzion, according to Israel Defense Forces.

"(They were) kidnapped by a terror organization, there is no doubt about that," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a nationally televised address Saturday.
I'll post an apology if any major "human rights" organization condemns this act without justifying it as "resistance" or other such nonsense.

Any one of Amnesty international, Human Rights Watch, and the hundreds operating in the Palestinian areas. Just condemn it, and don't justify it. That's all you have to do.

I'm not holding my breath.

In the meantime, let the army do whatever it takes, turn over every stone to get them home safely.

      
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