He's suggesting that closed blinds and candles in the daytime= staged

The TIME piece that linked to this clearly states they were trying to emphasize the plight of of palestinians in gaza, NOT that they were trying to pretend it was a blackout that the daylight somehow disproves.

Gamblors aggro because the lines between antisemites and liberals is quite blurred.

I didnt even check out the article so forgive me. You were asking Gamblor about the picture and I was confident that that was what it represented to him. He's posted before in past threads about paliwood.

This is incredibly stupid.

edit: to elaborate, it is as stupid as if I said something like "the lines between racists/islamophobists and conservatives on this issue is quite blurred, ergo I may as well paint everything Palestine does as unilaterally good and everything israel does as unilaterally bad because who knows i might be talking to one of the racists at the time".

Well yes it was quite clear he interpreted it as some big forgery where not only were they faking something they were so stupid as to not notice this big tell of the daylight outside...he did this as part of his consistent program to say anything negative about palestine he can and anything positive about israel that he can. Unfortuantely for him, it turns out to have an entirely reasonable explanation as evidenced in the very link he gave.

I wish I didnt try to speak for someone else.

Lets say your right (didnt bother to read article) on picture.

It doesnt bother me that Gamblor is wrong or one sided or whatever. He responds to every random post. I just dont hold him to some diplomatic responsibility of being impartial/correct/noncombative.

I read your intital 2 posts and see that Gamblor used it to do his thing

He feels a strong need to respond to random (often narrow minded) comments whenever they arise and your bland "it's a ****in shame" post just got caught in the violence. You'll be ok

There is a weird asymmetry in your posts. You imply there is a blurring between liberals and anti-semites, you say the posts are often narrow minded, but then despite these criticisms of others you go to some lengths NOT to criticize gamblor saying explicitly absolving him of responsibility in that you don't care if he is precisely the kind of narrow mindedness you just accused others of being.

My point in this thread is this: a responsible, meaningful, constructive discourse to try and ameliorate an entrenched hyperpartisan conflict is not, and cannot, be helped by people who act as hyperpartisans bringing, first and foremost, and unending supply of criticism for the one side and support for the other. Gamblor (rightly, if the poster was indeed doing this) noted how bad it was when someone only spoke ill of israel in every breath, but doesn't seem to acknowledge how he is doing the exact same thing in the most striking manner of anyone in this thread.

how to lie with maps
http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.de/20...palestine.html

noticed 3 racist comments at first glance, didn't read the rest

would you mind to mention/quote them?
thx

ive proved these maps a lie several times here without mindless rantings. feel free to search.

A few weeks ago, there was some news about an Egyptian Candid Camera-style TV show where Egyptian intelligentsia and artists had short interviews, and then after they were told that it was for an Israeli TV station.

In one episode, an Egyptian actor slaps the female "hostess", and punches the "producer", says "I hate Jews to death", and everyone has a great laugh and declares him to be a proud patriot.

Transcript

This should obviously be compared with how Israelis view Arabs in general, as evidenced in an Israeli Candid Camera-type show:



Now, does this mean that all Arabs are racist? Obviously not. In a bit of a twist, let's see what happened this week:

Tawfiq Okasha was on the show, and talked about his friends in Israel, his support for Jewish self-determination, his discussion of Palestinian terror, and his support for exporting natural gas to Israel.


When told that it was a Candid Camera show, he held steadfast in his statements.

Egyptian media is predictably flipping out over this and the talkbacks at the bottom of the articles are particularly viscious, calling him a traitor and saying he should be killed.

So, while the loudest voices want to slaughter "the Jews" and hate anyone that supports them, there are voices of reason and peace in Arab countries.

Obviously. Yet another unsolicited post by Gamblor that compares how good israel is to how bad arabs are. I am glad you felt the need to make it clear this time that you were not implying all arabs are racists, this really helps your "israel good, palestine bad" argument have a little nuance so keep it up.

I don't know you're saying Arabs Gamblor. Why not narrow it down and say Egyptian culture etc.?

I suppose that's fair given what I posted. I read a lot of Arab media from various sources and translated via google translate.

If I was so inclined, I'd post more often the kind of stuff I see in Middle East (i.e. Qatar, Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraqi, etc. etc.) and Muslim (i.e. Indonesia, Iran) media. It may very well not represent the opinions of the mainstream, but given the level of influence government holds over the media in the Middle East (outside Israel), it represents the opinions the government wants the mainstream to have.

This also isn't the work of crazy right-wing Americans or anything stupid like that. This is direct from local media.

What shouldn't surprise you is the cavalier outright racism and religious supremacism. What should surprise you is the sheer volume of it.

Say what you will about it, I certainly don't think its worth making any effort to try change it. Its their business, not mine.

But people expect Israelis not to be very concerned about this? To stick its neck out for the mere promise of peace, given this?

Press TV (Iran state-owned media): Olympics under the influence of Zionists

Press TV (Iran): Olympics logo a Zionist propaganda tool

Al Arabiya: Israel, the United States, Saudi Arabia and Qatar running military operation centers in Turkey.

Palestine Today: Mossad controlling Palestinians by smuggling arthritis drugs

And in response to the terrorist attacks from Gaza on Egyptian soldiers last week:

Al Watan Voice: The Jewish entity is the crux of the disease and the scourge in the region, and wherever they settle they bring calamities to the nation

Al Basrah (Iraq): "the Koran tells us that the Jews are cowards and submissive and weak themselves, if they gain strength and dominance and control it is because of external forces...This is how the Koran says to defeat the Jews and their inability to hold power permanently..."

Nawa (Egypt) expressed sorrow over the killing of the Egyptian soldiers, and cries out, "Oh God, the Jews burned them."


Al Watan Voice: the Zionist enemy and his intelligence and his cronies carried out this terrorist act and the evidence of this is the history of the dirty Jews, full of such crimes from the beginning of history; they have been killed Prophets and kill children and the elderly and their assassinations here and there are without any regard for humanity nor of morality

Quds Media: If a tree falls on the Temple Mount, the Jews did it.

Zad (Jordan): Jews get permission to visit at Aaron's tomb in Jordan. "The fact that the extremist settlers are practicing their religion in Jordan shows great disregard for the feelings of the people. The government must take all the responsibility of allowing them to enter Jordan and visit places dear to us and practice their religion in it."

American University of Beirut presents honorary degree to Donna Shalala, a proud and well-accomplished Arab-American who was formerly the Secretary of Health and Human Services under the Clinton administration and who has headed a number of US colleges. Supposed moderate, educated attendees at the ceremony hissed and called her a collaborator. She is considered persona non grata in the American University in Lebanon, despite her impressive accomplishments as an American and as a person of Arab heritage. She is unabashedly pro-Palestinian, but does not support a boycott against Israel, and this is how moderate Lebanese act towards even the most sympathetic Arab-Americans who are not blindly anti-Israel.

Notice also that the supposedly racist state of Israel has given her honorary degrees without any protests whatsoever from the Jews.

UPI Arabic: Saudi authorities warn imams against praying for destruction of Jews and Christians

wait that's good, right?

Nope, they deny it

Can you imagine denying that you insist religious leaders not pray for destruction of others?

All this from the last three weeks.

These are our "peace partners". If this is how they act, that is up to them. I just want to know why an Israeli voter would ever choose to support a politician that will give up key strategic land for a promise of "peace" from people that think like this.

Forget "land for peace". When they offer "peace for peace", I'm listening.

I'd say his main goal is to defend Israel. When people post links/videos about Israel he does make comparisons to other groups. If there's a post about jews spitting on an arab or settlers vandalizing mosques & beating up kids he feels the need to show arabs doing worse. I don't have a problem criticizing Gamblor. I've done it numerous times and wont hesitate. I think he's abit too aggro but at the same time I imagine it's frustrating to spend so much time explaining the same things over and over again.

I havent touched the antisemitism/liberal comment I made but it's a fairly mainstream response to those who believe Israels flaws are the only ones worth reporting.

this point...

and this point are very closely related. Showing Arabs/Muslims/etc doing worse isn't to justify what the *******s did. It's to point out the hypocrisy of attributing disgusting things - that could have just as easily happened in the United States or the UK - to some sort of Israeli mentality to make some sort of political point. These people simultaneously ignore far more heinous and common acts.

For example, yeah, some religious Jews are pretty disgusting towards Christian Arabs. But as a whole, they are protected by the laws of Israel and the Police will act aggressively to protect them. And the overwhelming majority of Israelis are tolerant of Christians, despite Christian religious history towards Jews.

On the other hand, Christians in Muslim lands, including the PA territories are regularly subject to violent mobs and discrimination at every turn.

People argue that the Christian population's decline in the PA territories result from some Israeli occupation or Jewish discrimination, when the facts show that the Christian population in every Muslim-majority country is declining, and the only country in the middle east where the Christian population is rising is Israel.

So yeah, I point out those comparisons.

Most of his posts have not been contrasting bad israel things with bad palestinian or arab things. He has taken the very best things he can find about israel (see! they do medical research!) and contrast it with the worst things he can find about palestine. It isn't even a bad vs bad or good vs good comparison, it is taking the best aspects of one side and comparing it to the worst aspects of the other.
Yet, curiously, you seem quite remiss to point out the same thing for the opposite side when you have an overt case of someone who is only reporting palestinian and arab flaws.

Oh great, a new unsolicited post talking about how good israel is and how bad palestine is. Who would have guessed that you would do this? I suppose one does have to give some credit to the sheer breadth of ways that you can attack the one side and support the other.

http://video.kera.org/video/2256068137

You whine that I only point out Palestinian flaws.

Please, correct me. Please, provide information as substantive and factual as I did that outlines Arab states' efforts at convincing their citizens to accept Israel. Or perhaps the contributions made by oil-rich Arab states to modern medicine or technology. Or the donations given by Arab states to UNRWA or the Palestinians in general. Or a list of the Arabic newspaper articles that criticize when Jewish people have been discriminated against and show that Arabs indeed stand up for their rights. Where the Arab street rose up against their dictators in the name of peace with the West and Israel. Not in English papers - in Arabic papers. I'd be ecstatic. I mean, let's be honest; a real, significant, vocal, Palestinian peace movement or a liberal secular civil rights movement in the Arab world would be the best news I could possibly read today. I want nothing more than to be wrong.

Sure, you'll find snippets, rare articles, maybe one-sided offers and the like. Maybe even a blog of some kind. A tumblr, perhaps, like that Iranian We <3 you, Israel site. But nothing in the mainstream press. No opposition parties screaming that the leadership is warmongering or that "we want peace". No real, significant, movements that genuinely present a possibility for peace.

And no, the reason none of these exist is not because they are "Arab". It has nothing to do with "race" or some innate racial or biological characteristic, as if such things even existed.

You present your skewed views. Not any higher "truth".

if you want to just shut your eyes and hears and pretend reality doesnt exist because it doesnt fit with the way you'd like to see the world, that's fine.

but this is the cold hard reality of the middle east. if you're interested in honest debate, then argue otherwise. show me i'm wrong. dismissing it with a wave of the hand like this only makes my argument stronger.

I have absolutely no interest in playing your game of stacking up evidence for and against one side. I don't want to argue that israel is bad. I don't want to argue that palestine is good. Or vice versa. I find your entire framing and approach of post after post after post stacking up these mounds of good things on israel's side and bad things on palestines side to be fundamentally flawed and a large part of the problem. You rightly recognized it as a problem when the other side does it. So yes, I could go here and there and try to take someone off your pile or add something to the pile on the other side, but the problem is the larger framing.

And I don't think you can help yourself. Even this last post is just one more example in a long list of previous posts that you took the opportunity to sarcastically wax eloquently about the failings of palestinians. It is sad.