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Remembering past oppression is part of Jews insistence to no longer be victims. We will not beg for protection. We will not go down without a fight. "Never again" is not, "Please, don't ever do this to us again" it's "No ****ing way we are going to ever let this happen again."

Nice video. Drop in the bucket obviously, but hopefully that reaches some people.

It's not like it's a counter to any reasonable criticism of Israel though - just to the haters who think every bad thing about Israel. Obviously that includes a lot of people in the ME who are inundated with anti-Jewish media.

Ya exactly...it is the type of thing where if I was him, with his audience, I would say this over and over and over and rarely say anything else. But for me, with my audience, it is just totally boring, a primitive litmus test for being able to even show up in the conversation.

Iranian backed militias attacking Israel from the Golan Heights.

What do you mean by this? I'm reading it as a reference to yourself, as if you are a higher quality of participant in this debate.

Ok, you have a conscience and know that Israel isn't made of monsters and demons, or "thieves and liars" as the Egyptian man in the video describes his previous impression of Israeli's (as per his upbringing and popular media). Having a working conscience shouldn't be part of the litmus test to participate in this discussion, or any discussion really, it shouldn't need to be. Then again, I suppose for being on #teampalestine and having a conscience, you have set yourself far apart from the majority of your compatriots. The reason you having a conscience is special at all here is because it is so rare. You're a diamond in the rough, Uke, is there anyone else on #TP that you think is even close to your level of fairness?

Or is it knowledge you were referring to, as if you are a more knowledgeable kind of participant? That would be funny. You still haven't acknowledged the lessons learned after Gamblor schooled you on the bigoted BDS movement. Keep repeating secular democratic equal rights, tho, if you think that will make it more feasible that a future Arab-Muslim majority of "Israstine" would allow that kind of treatment towards Jews to happen,

or if it allows you sleep better at night believing that the primary BDS proponents aren't bigots, and are being honest when they tell the lies they know good people want to hear.

secular . democratic . equal rights .

From: Arab Muslims

To: Jews

After: Dismantling their sovereignty in their homeland

lol

They're just resistance freedom fighters, man! I wonder if in the absence of support from the west to attack Israel conventionally they would accept the west attacking Israel economically and morally, weakening Israel's long term ability to deter conventional attacks.

Something something something, no more aid to Israel!!! Not my tax dollars!

Smart. The Parchin propaganda falls flat on its face so now they're going with the tried and true "Iranian militias."

Clarification: when I said I'm not bothering to read or engage with your posts to me, that means you can stop following me around responding to me. Or do, if you wish to explain to the rest of the thread how horrible I am. Just don't expect a response.

JIDF Hasbara, amirite?

Does Cookies believe there are no Iranian back militias, not in Lebanon? Not in Syria? Not in Iraq or Yemen?

Is it all just JIDF Hasbara Zionist Neoconz propaganda?


I'm not following you, guy, we post in the same thread. This one. Literally no where else on 2+2 do we speak to each other, at all. Step down from your pedestal, you are not nearly as important as you seem to believe.

Also, no points for you.

Still waiting on that BDS map showing a future existence of Israel tho- oh that's right it doesn't exist, because BDS' goal is the destruction of Israel


secular, democratic, equal rights, secular, democratic, equal rights, secular, democratic, equal rights.

...Nope, still not true.

Pretty clear implication that you don't think the militias firing on Israel are supported by Iran. Do you really think that's true? Do you think Iran doesn't generally support militias in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, The WB and Gaza?

I wonder if you could possibly step up to discussing this like an adult and facing the possibility that your world view and the truth aren't generally in accord. I can. If you can make any good arguments and have any evidence, I'll give it consideration. I like Persians and have no problem being open to Iran not being generally involved in terror groups is it's true.

You're wasting your time. It's pretty clear what Cookies motivation is in this conversation.

I also like Persians (kind of a misnomer, since not all Iranians are Persian) , but when I said this (as part of a larger post) in the Iran thread:

Cookie's response was:

What did he disagree with? Did he think I was lying, or saying something hypocritical? He singled out this paragraph alone from the larger post, and mocked it.

Who knows why. And he'll likely never clarify, it's just another in the long line of Cookies low-content one-word replies, or one-liner potshots at Israel and people who believe in Israel.

I don't know if he'll hold your positive regard of Persians in a similarly mocking tone, maybe I alone get that honor.

Yep, those Jews and their propaganda, controlling Western minds.

I don't deny there are Iranian backed militias, but in this case, the group the IDF says did it are denying it. What terror group ever denies they did terrorism? That kind of goes against the whole philosophy of terrorism iirc.

And pardon me if I don't believe the evidence, which is currently a statement by the IDF on twitter.

It's called drawing a parallel. If I say "100 is to 50 as 4 is to 2", I'm not likening 100 to 4. Why don't you know this basic stuff? You talk of people getting "educated" in this thread, but I hope for their sake it wasn't you doing the "educating".

And finally, yes, yes, yes, I already said that persecution of Jews has far outweighed that of other ethnic/religious groups. Do you read what people have actually written before your hysteria takes over?

LOL, just ignore the fact that a car full of their supposed operatives got blown up by Israel and Islamic Jihad scores big points in the world of Israel hate by denying they were involved in the attack and that big bad old Israel blew up 5 innocent souls.

So your theory is a couple of yahoos shoot off some rockets and then the very next day they all pile into the same vehicle that the IDF is tracking and proceeds to blow them up? Miraculous! What fortune!


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/0...173503660.html


What motivation does the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have for lying?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, are you really this naive or are you playing a character on the internet?

Maybe because he supports people in opposition to Assad? Maybe Islamic Jihad doesn't want to take responsibility because it could interfere with the Iranian sanction negotiations and he wants to deflect from Islamic Jihad? Who knows what he is thinking?

Why do I keep saying "he"? Because the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is exactly one person who conducts the entire operation out of his 2bd house in Coventry, England when he's not too busy running his clothing shop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian...r_Human_Rights

C'mon Micro, he's on the phone ALL DAY EVERY DAY. It's practically like being there.

LOL Cookies, such bad posts.

Ok, that's the SOHR source.

What is the source "Syrian Television"?

I'm still open. I don't auto-trust the IDF, but I don't auto-reject it either, so it takes more than "some guy in Coventry" or "I heard it on TV".

Osama denied responsibility for every single attack of al qaeda except for 9/11 and that wasnt until after the invasion of Afghanistan. He denied it for afew years iirc.

Well OK, this timely news item might go some way to explain people's difficulty in moving on from the horrors of the past:

Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children.

Are you suggesting that Jews don't "move on" from the "horrors of the past" because of genetics?

If the study is correct, genetics would seem to be a factor that makes it hard for anyone to move on from atrocities.

What do you think that study suggests?

Jalfrezi,

Think about all the groups in the world and whatever injustices have happened in the past and then imagine all of the outsiders who seems to have no other point in an argument besides telling them to get over it and think about what those outsiders are.

Microbet, I don't need to be told what to think about, thank you.

If the people of Northern Ireland can find enough commonality with each other to put enough of their differences aside after decades and end the senseless killings of thousands, I fail to see why Israelis and Palestinians can't at least take the first tentative steps in the same direction.

But no, what we get is walls, barbed wire, troops, shellings and a seemingly endless cycle of tit-for-tat violence, appallingly excused by some posters in this thread.