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08-19-2014 , 11:12 PM
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08-20-2014 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
[...]The UN is not a parliament or a court. It does not set law nor does it interpret law. [...]
Check your facts.
What a pompous post considering the Security Council does author and interpret law.
08-20-2014 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Hamas calls it's extremist kidnappers heroes.
While Israel calls their kidnappers the IDF, names streets after them, awards medals and gives them the full support of their own law.

Much of a muchness.
08-20-2014 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 425-17
What a pompous post considering the Security Council does author and interpret law.
Uh, no, also not true.

By Article 25 of the Charter, the members agreed to carry out the decisions of the UN SC (or follow its resolutions), but that is nothing close to "authoring and interpreting law".

Indeed it would be absurd to allow diplomatic representatives with no required legal background or experience to interpret law, and even more absurd that any country would agree to follow any laws written by some foreign group of diplomats.

For someone that just tried to pompously call me out for being pompous while being wrong, it must suck to be so wrong.

Last edited by Gamblor; 08-20-2014 at 10:06 AM.
08-20-2014 , 09:48 AM
given many of the posts in this thread, articles in the NY Times, and the Guardian, etc., why would Hamas ever not break a cease fire
08-20-2014 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Your team lost 3 civilians and had to bomb a few schools full of kids, as well as wipe out a few cities.

Team child killing couldn't be more absolute in their mission for murder.
Lol. Yes that's exactly how the conversation in the Kirya went.

1) Bomb schools
2) ??????
3) Victory!

It always takes a while for the crazies to show their colours, but they always do.

I'm pretty comfortable putting Tien in the Deuces McKracken category now.
08-20-2014 , 10:17 AM
You have your own category of insanity.

Supports neutering ethiopians.

Supports Israeli settlements.

Supports snipers shooting kids.

Supports entire destruction of gaza

Supports bombing of schools full of kids.

Might take me a few lifetimes to go so low.
08-20-2014 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor

If I can get enough people to say the sky is brown, the UN will say the sky is brown.

Check your facts.
Typical Gamblor. You throw these gems every other day.
08-20-2014 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
You have your own category of insanity.

Supports neutering ethiopians.

Supports Israeli settlements.

Supports snipers shooting kids.

Supports entire destruction of gaza

Supports bombing of schools full of kids.

Might take me a few lifetimes to go so low.
All you can say is Israel murders children in every single post you make. Why are you even here?
08-20-2014 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzard1881
I don't see why Gamblor gets such a bad rap.
Where the hell have you been these past few years.
08-20-2014 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Where the hell have you been these past few years.
I've been looking the past few months and many of his posts he makes seem researched and thought out. I don't really know about his posts years ago, if they have relevance to what's going on today, and what he says is truly appalling, I suggest you dig them up and post something useful.

All you do is just keep posting Israel kills kids and bombs schools like this situation is that simple. I hate when people just keep spouting this off because people who have no idea what's going on and become pawns against Israel.

I'm trying to figure it out but I'm pretty sure you are one of those pawns.
08-20-2014 , 10:56 AM
Gamblor has lost his **** and taken some unfathomably bad positions over the years. That said, he's wrong about tien in general, right in this specific argument.
08-20-2014 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzard1881
I've been looking the past few months and many of his posts he makes seem researched and thought out. I don't really know about his posts years ago, if they have relevance to what's going on today, and what he says is truly appalling, I suggest you dig them up and post something useful.

All you do is just keep posting Israel kills kids and bombs schools like this situation is that simple. I hate when people just keep spouting this off because people who have no idea what's going on and become pawns against Israel.

I'm trying to figure it out but I'm pretty sure you are one of those pawns.
Pawns? I think hamas is a terrorist organization. I do not believe Israel to be a terrorist organization. There is no peace if Hamas is in power.

But I will not absolve Israel for what they did in last 4 weeks. That's all. My position is quite accurate and right.
08-20-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
You have your own category of insanity.

Supports neutering ethiopians.

Supports Israeli settlements.

Supports snipers shooting kids.

Supports entire destruction of gaza

Supports bombing of schools full of kids.
Lol. You got the second one right at least.

Last edited by Gamblor; 08-20-2014 at 11:36 AM.
08-20-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Demolishing suspected criminals homes is lawful because Israel's Supreme Court says so.

Haha almost fell off my chair.
This is expert legal analysis.
08-20-2014 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzard1881
What did they do other than protect their country? What are they suppose to do? I'm sure an army with a people who have been attacked constantly will sometimes have people who may lose there humanity against people who are trying to kill them, but I think for the most part they have been honourable.
This is mindblowing.
08-20-2014 , 12:05 PM
08-20-2014 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
This is mindblowing.
Why is it mindblowing? This is a war, what do you expect? Have you heard of PTSD. They've been living with threat of attack forever, no other country has a clean sheet. From what I've seen it seems like they are doing an honourable job despite that. The only one horrible instance I saw was that guy going back to his home and he was getting shot allegedly by Israeli snipers. I don't even know how legit that video is.

I think they are doing a good job, given the circumstances.
08-20-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzard1881
Why is it mindblowing? This is a war, what do you expect? Have you heard of PTSD. They've been living with threat of attack forever, no other country has a clean sheet. From what I've seen it seems like they are doing an honourable job despite that. The only one horrible instance I saw was that guy going back to his home and he was getting shot allegedly by Israeli snipers. I don't even know how legit that video is.

I think they are doing a good job, given the circumstances.
It's mind blowing because ludacris read in the news that children died, and the only conceivable explanation in his mind is that the army deliberately and wantonly kills children as a matter of policy.
08-20-2014 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I think you're right.

I wonder what would have happened if Morsi was still in power.
08-20-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
What an unbiased source you have there.
Lol. The article sources its info directly from the Abu Rish brigades of Fateh and the various Human Rights Orgs and then cross-references it. So yeah, huge bias.

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I think they're doing a **** job. Israel's government no longer holds the moral high ground over Hamas when they use terror tactics themselves and they're the stronger force with legitimate military equipment.
"Terror tactics" lol.

Stronger = what, exactly? You have equipment that gives you an advantage over an enemy army but it's immoral to use it?

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You're the most pretentious dickbag on this forum.
Only because I have to deal with people like you all the time.
08-20-2014 , 12:53 PM
Speaking of the ICC, I've said several times that - despite the empty threats from the PA - it's terribly unlikely that the ICC even has jurisdiction over the settlements.

This paper goes into better detail.

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Originally Posted by Abstract
In the wake of the U.N. General Assembly’s recent recognition of Palestinian statehood, the Palestinian government has made clear its intention to accept the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), where it could challenge the legality of Israeli settlements. This Article explores the previously unexamined jurisdictional hurdles for such a case. (To focus on the jurisdictional issues, the Article assumes for the sake of argument the validity on the merits of the legal claims against the settlements.)

First, the ICC can only consider situations “on the territory” of Palestine. Yet the scope of that territory is undefined. An “occupation” can arise even in an area that is not the territory of any state – but ICC jurisdiction does not extend there. Thus even if Israel is an occupying power throughout the West Bank for the purposes of substantive humanitarian law, this does not establish that settlement activity occurs “on the territory” of Palestine. Moreover, the ICC lacks the power to determine the boundaries of states, and certainly of non-member states. Moreover, the Oslo Accords give Israel exclusive criminal jurisdiction over Israelis in the West Bank. Palestine cannot delegate to the ICC territorial jurisdiction that it does not possess.

Second, the ICC only takes situations of particular “gravity.” Yet settlements are not a “grave breach” of the Geneva Conventions. No international criminal tribunal has ever prosecuted non-grave breaches. The ICC’s gravity measure involves the number of people killed; for settlements it would be zero. Indeed, the ICC prosecutor triages situations by the numbers of victims; settlements do not appear to have direct individual victims. Finally, the ICC would at most only have jurisdiction over settlement activity from the date of Palestine’s acceptance of jurisdiction. Settlement activity in this time frame would not immediately cross the Court’s gravity threshold.

The impact of these issues goes beyond a possible settlements case. The controversy over a referral of Israel, a non-member state, raises important questions about the meaning of the ICC Statute. These have great importance for other non-member states, such as the United States. They also demonstrate the extent to which major aspects of the ICC Statute remain vague and undefined.
08-20-2014 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
It's mind blowing because ludacris read in the news that children died, and the only conceivable explanation in his mind is that the army deliberately and wantonly kills children as a matter of policy.
Set aside 'wantonly'. The Israeli army certainly does kill children deliberately. They know with certainty their actions will have this result. In your view that policy is justified. Do you ever question your own assumptions? If not, aren't you resigned to a conflict that will go on, must go on, indefinitely?
08-20-2014 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Set aside 'wantonly'. The Israeli army certainly does kill children deliberately.They know with certainty their actions will have this result.
Not exactly - "deliberately" is not the same as "know with likelihood" (not lol certainty) or even the same as "made a mistake". Are you referring to army policy and the ROE or the actions of an individual soldier? Because to extrapolate policies out of a specific incident is lol.

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In your view that policy is justified. Do you ever question your own assumptions? If not, aren't you resigned to a conflict that will go on, must go on, indefinitely?
What is this non sequitur? What does the continuation of a conflict have to do with the incidents above to with you are obliquely referring? Conflicts happen because there are competing political interests that haven't been resolved. Are you saying that the PA/Hamas/whoever are so stupid that they will just keep the conflict going without any goals, just because some of "theirs" died?

I'm happy to get into my justification for IDF policy generally, but I don't think you know what that policy is.

      
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