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Old 03-03-2017, 06:17 PM   #51
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If the President knew, a conviction was sure, he would just resign.
This seems presumptive of a right-minded, logical-deciding President.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:21 PM   #52
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Trump is that poker player at the table that you explicitly DO NOT assign rational thought patterns to. Doing so would be a tremendous mistake that would probably cost you your whole stack.
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:47 PM   #53
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:08 PM   #54
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There won't be an impeachment.

Because Ryan wouldn't start the proceedings unless he knew he would win a conviction in the Senate.

If the President knew, a conviction was sure, he would just resign.

And if he didn't resign, but the story was a smoking gun showing that the President was compromised, the Vice President and the Cabinet would depose the President via the 25th Amendment. And the Congress would sustain the invocation.

Pence would be President.
WTF?

But everyone knows that Pence will be POTUS if Trump resigns or is impeached and convicted.

You seem think that the reason every freedom loving American wants Trump impeached is partisan. It's not. No one thinks a Democrat is going to become president before 2020. We just want to keep what semblance of a democracy we have.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:41 PM   #56
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There won't be an impeachment.

Because Ryan wouldn't start the proceedings unless he knew he would win a conviction in the Senate.

If the President knew, a conviction was sure, he would just resign.

And if he didn't resign, but the story was a smoking gun showing that the President was compromised, the Vice President and the Cabinet would depose the President via the 25th Amendment. And the Congress would sustain the invocation.

Pence would be President.
pence benefited directly from the illegitimate election that trump and the russian intelligence services orchestrated. pence becoming president and pardoning the donald is like a bank robber bailing himself out of jail with stolen diamonds

(it was a diamond bank)

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Old 03-05-2017, 12:16 PM   #57
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The web of relationships between Team Trump and Russia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-draw7&wpmm=1
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Old 03-08-2017, 04:00 PM   #58
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Watergate Versus Russiagate: Historical Comparison

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/03/russi...ommentary.html

When you read articles like this: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-worst-deal

it suddenly becomes clear why Donald Trump doesn't want his business dealings scrupulously examined. If it is indeed true that Trump has benefitted financially from a deal that has funneled money to a known terrorist state, that is probably a treasonous offense. (It also helps explain why Trump is adamant about not releasing his tax returns.)

My question about our new President is fairly simple: If he is totally clean in all this, then why does he keep acting guilty? If he has "nothing to hide" and he's totally clean, then he should welcome these inquiries into his [foreign] business dealings. He could clear up a lot of these questions by the simple act of releasing his tax returns - like nearly every President has done since [at least] the 1960's.

Like Nixon during Watergate, Trump keeps insisting "there's no 'there' there" and we should all move on and ignore all these "Russia" questions. Time will tell whether Donald Trump is the modern day equivalent of Richard Nixon.
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Old 03-08-2017, 06:53 PM   #59
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The web of relationships between Team Trump and Russia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-draw7&wpmm=1
We can make that line between Donnie and the ambassador a solid red one instead of dashed now, can't we?
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:18 PM   #60
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Question for you guys.

When Bush was president Pelosi and other Dem leaders made a point of not even entertaining the idea of impeachment of Bush. It was off the table.

Of course in the 90's the Reps impeached Clinton even though they knew he wouldn't be convicted.

Has the attitude of the Dems changed with Trump?
If the Dems won control of the House in the 2018 election would they follow the track of the Dems in the 2000s or the Reps in the 1990s? There wouldn't be the 67 votes in the senate to convict, but impeachment in the House just takes a simple majority. Go for impeachment?
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:25 PM   #61
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I thought Bush was awful, but never thought he should be impeached. Trump is completely different and everyone should be going for impeachment. And I'm old. It's not like a was a little kid when Bush was POTUS.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:43 PM   #62
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the democratic platform should include impeaching trump. a winning strategy would be to campaign on locking him up
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:10 PM   #63
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Problem with that is that we already know what laws he's broken and have factual proof. Think those kinds of tactics only work whenever you're just spitballing conspiracy theories. Not sure why, but Americans were never accused of being smart.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:36 AM   #64
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I'm bumping this thread because I have a theory I want to run by the political savants who frequent this forum. In a nutshell, I think Trump is going down, (i.e. either being impeached or forced to resign), before his full term expires. It won't be due to any shady [foreign] business deals he's involved in - although that will be used as the excuse for booting him. Just like Julius Caesar, Trump will be knifed by his fellow Republicans who are more concerned with their own political survival than his survival. If my "theory" is correct, Trump will (more likely) be out before the 2018 mid-term elections. (Before you laugh out loud thinking "Lawhon is obviously delusional!" read on.)

Prior to election night 2016, most Republicans believed what the polls were indicating - that Hillary Clinton would be the next President of the United States and the executive branch of government would be controlled by the Democrats. Never, in their wildest dreams, did a majority of Republicans believe they would wake up the day after election day with both the executive and legislative branches of Government controlled by the Republican party. For the most strident of hard right right-wingers, members of the Ayn Rand contingent who want to kill Obamacare, gut Medicare, cut Social Security and reduce every other entitlement program; the election of Donald Trump was like a wet dream come true. Even traditional Wall Street "economic conservatives" were overjoyed as they saw (with Trump) a golden opportunity to achieve things they had only dreamed about - like lowering the corporate tax rate, eliminating costly and burdensome regulations, weakening the Dodd-Frank financial regulations, along with sweeping tax reform. With Trump as President and both the House and Senate controlled by the GOP, suddenly all that was possible. Things that Republicans had only dreamed about were suddenly in sight! No wonder the stock market took off like a rocket flying right past Dow 20,000. All the true believers were convinced that with a "pro growth" Republican in the White House and the Congress firmly in the hands of the GOP, the sky was [literally] the limit. Since, prior to election day, nobody - probably not even Trump himself - actually believed "The Donald" would win, the euphoria that erupted when he did win only helped to fuel expectations. Trump promised big - and all his true believers actually expect him to deliver.

So, how is the reality matching up to expectations? So far, all Trump has delivered are distractions and disappointments. The President is so self-absorbed with petty grievances and Twitter blasts that he appears incapable of concentrating on his job. For all his virtues as a successful businessman, Trump stumbles from one fiasco to the next. Like the Keystone Cops, Trump just can't seem to get anything right. With respect to the [alleged] shady business deals and foreign entanglements, especially with Russia, Trump is starting to resemble Richard Nixon during Watergate. Like Nixon, Trump insists there is no "there" there and Congress (and the FBI) should drop their various investigations. Like Nixon declaring that Watergate was "... a third rate burglary that the White House had absolutely nothing to do with" Trump keeps insisting that he's done nothing wrong while simultaneously insisting that the investigations are meaningless and a waste of time.

So what are Republicans to make of all this - especially Republican officeholders? What those who are old enough to remember Watergate know is that from the time of the break-in, (i.e. June 17, 1972), until the day Nixon resigned, (August 8, 1974), a period of just over two years elapsed. In the immediate aftermath of Nixon's resignation, the Republican party got killed in the 1974 mid-term elections. The carnage continued into the 1976 Presidential election year when President Gerald Ford and running mate Bob Dole were (just barely) defeated by Democrat Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale. (Many wags believe Ford and Dole's narrow loss was directly attributable to the lingering effects of Watergate - especially Ford's [very controversial] pardon of Nixon.)

So how does the past relate to the present? If we go through two years of a steady drip drop of one Trump "revelation" after another - with Trump looking more and more like Nixon - it won't be long until the GOP starts suffering in a sort of "guilt by association" kind of way. Just like with Nixon and Watergate, Trump's defenders will start peeling away. The Wall Street crowd will be especially appalled as they will see all the things they had hoped to achieve slipping right through their fingers. Like Nixon, Trump will be so absorbed in trying to hang on to power that he won't have time to lobby individual members of Congress on things like tax reform. Trump will be too busy trying to save his own skin.

As Trump's popularity declines, Republican officeholders in Congress will start viewing Trump as like drinking from a poisoned chalice. Openly espousing support for Trump will be political suicide - for Republicans. If Trump becomes the RMS Titanic of politics, few GOP members of Congress will want to go down with him. (A substantial number of Republican members of Congress are already distancing themselves from Trump.) So what's the solution?

If you're an investor who plays the stock market, often it's better to realize you've picked a loser, sell the stock, and cut your losses. I suspect Republicans (the smarter more astute Republicans - not the diehards) are gradually coming to the same conclusion with respect to Donald Trump. Trump is the political equivalent of a losing stock. In the long run, it's better to go ahead and "sell" (impeach) the losing President rather than letting him proceed to wreck the entire party. Of course, I could be totally wrong with this "theory" - it wouldn't be the first time I've misread the tea leaves - but I have a feeling Republicans are beginning to realize they can achieve a lot more with a [relatively stable] President Mike Pence than they can with a loose cannon like Donald Trump.

I think Trump will be either impeached or forced to resign - he won't serve out the full four years of his term.
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:53 PM   #65
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you put too much emphasis on the person of the President.

It is all the political government employees who will effect change on the country. appointments have been slow but once a critical mass of political appointees are up to speed with their jobs a lot of what the GOP wants will get accomplished. Trump is a side show.
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:29 PM   #67
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:03 PM   #68
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you put too much emphasis on the person of the President.

It is all the political government employees who will effect change on the country. appointments have been slow but once a critical mass of political appointees are up to speed with their jobs a lot of what the GOP wants will get accomplished. Trump is a side show.
This is a first - the first time I've heard the President of the United States referred to as a "side show".
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This is supposed to be one of the main guys investigation Trump in Congress. But he was on the transition team!!
http://nunes.house.gov/news/document...umentID=398673
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Congressman Devin Nunes (CA-22) released the following statement today after joining the executive committee of Donald Trump’s transition team:

“Today I was honored to have been named to the executive committee of President-elect Donald Trump's transition team. In this role, I will advise President-elect Trump on the appointments of his Cabinet members and on appointments to other top positions in the new administration. I look forward to helping to assemble an energetic and forward-looking team that will capably lead our country toward more economic growth, greater opportunity, and a safer homeland for all Americans.”
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Republican Congressman Leading Russia Probe Says He's Never Heard of Key Figures in the Scandal
Devin Nunes claims he's unfamiliar with Roger Stone and Carter Page. Huh?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ne-carter-page
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:44 PM   #71
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Republican Congressman Leading Russia Probe Says He's Never Heard of Key Figures in the Scandal
Devin Nunes claims he's unfamiliar with Roger Stone and Carter Page. Huh?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ne-carter-page
That makes no sense on any level.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:14 PM   #72
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Mr. Flynn may have some things to say about this thread soon.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:34 PM   #73
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Let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:12 PM   #74
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I thought Bush was awful, but never thought he should be impeached. Trump is completely different and everyone should be going for impeachment. And I'm old. It's not like a was a little kid when Bush was POTUS.
Bush and Cheyney are war criminals who started a multinational conflict and humanitarian crisis under false pretenses. In any sane or just world both would have been impeached and convicted.
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^+1000 to what stinkbus said. having been imo a war criminal, as it stands today, GW Bush worse than Trump (hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American soldiers dead over fabricated bull****). Trump has an insanely lower floor and is a more grotesque human but lets not let GW off the hook just bc he is a nicer guy

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