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View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of October?
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III
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10-26-2017 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
For some reason I just saw this: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-quiz-map.html

It did pretty good with me. Put me in KC, Overland Park (close to where I grew up until 4th grade) or Aurora (not close).
I'm a native Portlander and it put me from the Bay Area.

Triggered.
10-26-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I feel like it would be better to go the other way and make sexual relationships in the workplace mandatory.
It worked in Brave New World.
10-26-2017 , 10:46 AM
idk if the latest Pew Political Typology report has been posted yet. It's nothing most of us don't already know, but it has the Pew stamp of approval with, like, real numbers and methodology and stuff. Cliffs: The left, right, and country as a whole are all tearing themselves apart.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/...ight-and-left/
10-26-2017 , 11:07 AM
Looks like Megan McArdle has been the now shut down politics section to come up with this hot take

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Be Careful Who You Call a 'White Supremacist'

If you've cried wolf too many times, no one will listen when you actually see the real thing.
Kind of irritating that midway through she makes this point

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The idea is apparently that if we put the racial inequalities perpetuated by the criminal justice system on the same moral plane as lynch mobs and segregated lunch counters, people will have to attack the former with the same vigor we would use against any attempt to bring back Jim Crow.

This overestimates the power of words.
but a sentences later

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Worse yet, imagine that activists are successful at conflating white supremacy with racism, and misogyny with sexism. We may find that the result is not a stronger distaste for the diffuse structural bias in our society, but a weaker distaste for the intentional, more dangerous forms of discrimination.

It only makes sense to redefine words in this way if you believe that there is literally no difference between David Duke and Mitt Romney, between the Jim Crow South and modern America. There is a difference. We need to continue to draw a firm verbal line between them. If we don’t, we are helping our common enemy to camouflage themselves and slip into the general population.
Wait what? I thought words themselves didn't have much power? Now they do, but the power of camouflage but not the power of motivation?

In any case this is just a rehash of Chait's white supremacists should be reserved for David Duke and other Republicans are just......racist? I guess? The conclusion tends to undermine everything else

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But if we indiscriminately apply the term to everything from the alt-right white nationalist Richard Spencer, to anyone who thinks that football players should stand for the national anthem … for how long will white supremacy still be considered beyond the pale? What happens if people accused of racism start shrugging off the epithet -- or worse, embracing it? And when another Richard Spencer comes along, how will we convey how dangerous he is?
Ummm we'll talk about how he wants to throw all the non white people out and get rid of voting and is obsessed with white purity? Like does Megan understand that those are the actual things are upsetting and the actual emotional impact being called white supremacist is like a small cherry on top? Like if we called him a jigglypoof the things he advocated would still be upsetting?

I think going over how people who want football players to stand for the election make up transparently false reasoning that football players are disrespecting the troops even though football players are saying that they respect the troops and are protesting (usually white) police violence on (usually black) people which makes you wonder if, perhaps, there's some alternative reasoning going on is a bit of waste of time to try and explain to Megan because she's already made up her mind that there's a difference and that difference has to be respected even if it's transparently made in bad faith

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...te-supremacist
10-26-2017 , 11:35 AM
Seems hard to disagree that there's a reverse euphemism treadmill in effect, especially for words about racial attitudes. If you look at the usage of "racist" and "white supremacist" 15 years ago versus now, I am confident (without having done any actual research obv) that they would be both used less often and perceived far more gravely than they are now. "Alt-right" is basically the new reverse euphemism to describe the hardcore white nationalist fringe and distinguish them from the run-of-the-mill white supremacist Trump voters. It's not really different from your jigglypoof hypo, and in a few years maybe people will need to make up a new word for the Spencer types when the entire Republican party has become alt-right.

Is it ultimately harmful to have this kind of treadmill? It's probably irrelevant, because how can you avoid it, but it's thought-provoking to recall that one of Hillary's big gaffes was her deplorables speech, which was an effort specifically to develop new terminology to educate voters about the forces involved in the Trump movement.
10-26-2017 , 11:41 AM
There is a big difference in that the alt-right is motivated primarily by racism whereas the traditional GOP was interested in redistributing money to the super wealthy and just used racism to get votes.

Alt-right also seems to not give a **** about any of the traditional GOP talking points beyond racism. They'd totally be onboard for white socialism.
10-26-2017 , 11:41 AM
Pennsylvania iGaming bill (including the pokers) passed by senate and house; reportedly will get governor's signature.

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/pennsylvania-general-assembly-passes-online-poker-gov-wolf-his-expected-signature-1693889/
10-26-2017 , 11:41 AM
@bob

Calling that an effort to educate voters is extremely charitable.
10-26-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Seems hard to disagree that there's a reverse euphemism treadmill in effect, especially for words about racial attitudes. If you look at the usage of "racist" and "white supremacist" 15 years ago versus now, I am confident (without having done any actual research obv) that they would be both used less often and perceived far more gravely than they are now. "Alt-right" is basically the new reverse euphemism to describe the hardcore white nationalist fringe and distinguish them from the run-of-the-mill white supremacist Trump voters. It's not really different from your jigglypoof hypo, and in a few years maybe people will need to make up a new word for the Spencer types when the entire Republican party has become alt-right.

Is it ultimately harmful to have this kind of treadmill? It's probably irrelevant, because how can you avoid it, but it's thought-provoking to recall that one of Hillary's big gaffes was her deplorables speech, which was an effort specifically to develop new terminology to educate voters about the forces involved in the Trump movement.
The definitions of the words have changed, but they could have been too narrow in the past. It's recognized that holocaust denial is anti-semetic even if you say nothing disparaging about Jews. I think that's about where the social justice warriors have come to regarding racism.
10-26-2017 , 11:50 AM
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chine...ivacy-invasion

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Imagine a world where many of your daily activities were constantly monitored and evaluated: what you buy at the shops and online; where you are at any given time; who your friends are and how you interact with them; how many hours you spend watching content or playing video games; and what bills and taxes you pay (or not). It's not hard to picture, because most of that already happens, thanks to all those data-collecting behemoths like Google, Facebook and Instagram or health-tracking apps such as Fitbit. But now imagine a system where all these behaviours are rated as either positive or negative and distilled into a single number, according to rules set by the government. That would create your Citizen Score and it would tell everyone whether or not you were trustworthy. Plus, your rating would be publicly ranked against that of the entire population and used to determine your eligibility for a mortgage or a job, where your children can go to school - or even just your chances of getting a date.

A futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control? No, it's already getting underway in China, where the government is developing the Social Credit System (SCS) to rate the trustworthiness of its 1.3 billion citizens. The Chinese government is pitching the system as a desirable way to measure and enhance "trust" nationwide and to build a culture of "sincerity". As the policy states, "It will forge a public opinion environment where keeping trust is glorious. It will strengthen sincerity in government affairs, commercial sincerity, social sincerity and the construction of judicial credibility."
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Penalties are set to change dramatically when the government system becomes mandatory in 2020. Indeed, on September 25, 2016, the State Council General Office updated its policy entitled "Warning and Punishment Mechanisms for Persons Subject to Enforcement for Trust-Breaking". The overriding principle is simple: "If trust is broken in one place, restrictions are imposed everywhere," the policy document states.

For instance, people with low ratings will have slower internet speeds; restricted access to restaurants, nightclubs or golf courses; and the removal of the right to travel freely abroad with, I quote, "restrictive control on consumption within holiday areas or travel businesses". Scores will influence a person's rental applications, their ability to get insurance or a loan and even social-security benefits. Citizens with low scores will not be hired by certain employers and will be forbidden from obtaining some jobs, including in the civil service, journalism and legal fields, where of course you must be deemed trustworthy. Low-rating citizens will also be restricted when it comes to enrolling themselves or their children in high-paying private schools. I am not fabricating this list of punishments. It's the reality Chinese citizens will face. As the government document states, the social credit system will "allow the trustworthy to roam everywhere under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step".
Dayum
10-26-2017 , 11:55 AM
Can't stand the term "Alt-Right," sounds almost as cool as "Grand Wizard" iyam. I vote we call these people "Chappy Whites."
10-26-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Can't stand the term "Alt-Right," sounds almost as cool as "Grand Wizard" iyam. I vote we call these people "Chappy Whites."
Uptighty-Whities.
10-26-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Double dayum.

And while our government can't do that as openly as the Chinese government, equifax et al can do much the same here.
10-26-2017 , 12:05 PM
http://www.economist.com/node/842137

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SOMETIMES Kenneth Hale was asked how long it would take him to learn a new language. He thought ten or 15 minutes would be enough to pick up the essentials if he were listening to a native speaker. After that he could probably converse; obviously not fluently, but enough to make himself understood. To those whose education, however admirable in other respects, had provided only rudimentary language skills, Mr Hale seemed a marvel.

And so he was. He had a gift. But he was also an academic, a teacher of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He was aware that many otherwise clever people are dunces at learning a second language. He sought to find laws and structures that could be applied to all languages. As well as studying the common languages, French, Spanish and so on, the search took him into many linguistic byways, to the languages of native Americans and Australian aborigines and the Celtic fringes of Europe. As many of these languages had no written grammar or vocabulary, and indeed were spoken by few people, Mr Hale picked them up orally. His tip for anyone who pressed him for advice on learning a language was to talk to a native speaker. Start with parts of the body, he said, then common objects. After learning the nouns, you can start to make sentences and get attuned to the sounds.
Meanwhile I'm like 40 Spanish classes in and still forget every other word.

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Mr Hale had discovered his talent for language when playing with Indian friends who taught him Hopi and Navajo. Learning languages became an obsession. Wherever he travelled he picked up a new tongue. In Spain he learnt Basque; in Ireland he spoke Gaelic so convincingly that an immigration officer asked if he knew English. He apologised to the Dutch for taking a whole week to master their somewhat complex language. He picked up the rudiments of Japanese after watching a Japanese film with subtitles. He sought to rescue languages that were dying out. One Indian language at its last gasp was spoken by the Wopanaak, the tribe that greeted the Pilgrim Fathers in 1620. It is now spoken again by several thousand people around Cape Cod. A Wopanaak who studied under Mr Hale is preparing a dictionary of her language. “Ken was a voice for the voiceless,” said Noam Chomsky.

Mr Hale could converse in about 50 languages, perhaps a world record, although he was too modest to claim one. But some tongues, such as Australia's Lardil, died with its last seven speakers. Mr Hale was the last person on earth to speak some languages. Hundreds are disappearing, he said. “They became extinct, and I had no one to speak them with.”
10-26-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
idk if the latest Pew Political Typology report has been posted yet. It's nothing most of us don't already know, but it has the Pew stamp of approval with, like, real numbers and methodology and stuff. Cliffs: The left, right, and country as a whole are all tearing themselves apart.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/...ight-and-left/
Hopefully stuff like this will get us to finally abandon this god awful election system and switch to something that makes more sense and allows for third parties to rise and fall
10-26-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Hopefully stuff like this will get us to finally abandon this god awful election system and switch to something that makes more sense and allows for third parties to rise and fall
Or zero parties.
10-26-2017 , 12:31 PM
Can you list the flourishing countries who have no political parties?
10-26-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
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If you've cried wolf too many times, no one will listen when you actually see the real thing.
This point is true.

When you misuse an insult or overuse it, it loses its potency. In some cases, the word is actually reappropriated by the insulted group and spun as a positive description. People used to be called geeks and nerds as an insult and in response, those groups took those labels, applied it to themselves and turned it into a positive label. We already see Trump supporters doing that with 'deplorables'.

I think it's reasonable to make distinctions between varying degrees of racists and not lump everybody with racist thoughts into the same category as the Richard Spencers of the world. This doesn't mean that we should necessarily let the little things slide or go unnoticed. It only means that by exaggerating minor transgressions and aggressively admonishing those who make them, we push them towards the groups we compare them to and away from anybody who can try to reform them.
10-26-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Can you list the flourishing countries who have no political parties?
Tuvalu duh
10-26-2017 , 12:58 PM
W/o dating in the workplace I have zero girlfriends since college. Please don't take away my only successful dating pool.
10-26-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
So the Chinese government watched Black Mirror and thought, "Some of this stuff seems like a really good idea!"
10-26-2017 , 01:11 PM
You worked in the porn industry suzzer?
10-26-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Can you list the flourishing countries who have no political parties?
Define flourishing. A bunch of ME countries don't have political parties since they are monarchies. Some small islands don't either.
10-26-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
This point is true.

When you misuse an insult or overuse it, it loses its potency. In some cases, the word is actually reappropriated by the insulted group and spun as a positive description. People used to be called geeks and nerds as an insult and in response, those groups took those labels, applied it to themselves and turned it into a positive label. We already see Trump supporters doing that with 'deplorables'.

I think it's reasonable to make distinctions between varying degrees of racists and not lump everybody with racist thoughts into the same category as the Richard Spencers of the world. This doesn't mean that we should necessarily let the little things slide or go unnoticed. It only means that by exaggerating minor transgressions and aggressively admonishing those who make them, we push them towards the groups we compare them to and away from anybody who can try to reform them.
I don't think its true when applying it to the events of the last few years or so though. 'Crying wolf' in this analogy means the villagers are depending on a boy to tell them about the wolf they can't see, but that's supposedly not true when it comes to racists and Republicans. Republicans are supposed to have their own concept of what racism is and be able to identify it without the help of liberals.

Yet a lot of these articles imply that the rise of white identity politics has been caused by an over extension of liberal identity politics and Republicans have no agency to identity racism on their own i.e. you called everyone racist so now we have out and out racists running around and there's nothing we can do or people shrug off Trump's racism because liberals have called everything racist so being racist isn't a big deal anymore.

There's the implication of Republicans never had any agency to identify and oppose racism on their own and instead depended on liberals to accurately point out racists for Republicans and liberals failed. They never seem to grasp that maybe the reason why there are a lot of racists in or around the Republican Party is because the Republican Party is welcoming to racists or at least those who have that sentiment.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 10-26-2017 at 01:22 PM.
10-26-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
W/o dating in the workplace I have zero girlfriends since college. Please don't take away my only successful dating pool.
Then try a boyfriend for once, dont be so conservative.

      
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