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I'm Not Trying to Suck My Own Coctober LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of October?

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10-22-2017 , 04:25 PM

#1176

jalfrezi

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POTUS by popular vote is a step forward but if that many Americans are voting for Trump the problem isn't the electoral system.

10-22-2017 , 05:07 PM

#1177

sylar

Ivan Drago's homeslice

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 20,307

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Dunno about that. The definition of secession might be debated, but a lot of broken up countries have done ok historically.

I'm not really serious about wanting a US breakup. I'd prefer fewer borders, not more. Merging with Canada and Mexico would be better.

I disagree. Even in the 20th century the track record is mixed at best. With successful revolts occurring during other periods of unrest or power vacuum. There is always the high chance of armed conflicts and the danger of either side becoming ultra-nationalist is very much a concern.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession

10-22-2017 , 05:13 PM

#1178

stinkubus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,422

The US's education system (talking pre K-12 here) is fairly porous, and poor quality isn't just limited to the poorest areas of the country. You can even coast to a bachelors (and to lesser extent a masters) so long as you have the money to pay for it. A good portion of middle class consists of people who were poorly educated as children. That's how you get Trump.

10-22-2017 , 05:16 PM

#1179

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

10-22-2017 , 05:29 PM

#1180

TheMadcap

adept

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 790

Someone in a Russian troll farm is reading this secession conversation with a smile.

http://nytimes.com/2017/10/19/world/...banks.amp.html

https://businessinsider.com/russia-f...clinton-2017-9

https://theatlantic.com/amp/article/517890/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/75...ity-expert/amp

https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BV1IH

10-22-2017 , 05:45 PM

#1181

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Unless voter suppression gets all the way to "only white land owners get to vote," Texas will be blue within 20 years.

It kind of is moving towards that with the acceptable forms of id both for voting and for registering.

But really it doesn't need to. They are straight up removing dems from voter rolls and not telling them and making it very hard to get reinstated.

And it will get worse and more blatant. Since repubs control the state govs and thus the voting system, I predict they will commit outright fraud and either change votes, add votes, or remove votes to ensure their victory.

10-22-2017 , 05:50 PM

#1182

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,713

Breaking up the US would be terrible for the cause of world domination.

10-22-2017 , 05:55 PM

#1183

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,898

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

POTUS by popular vote is a step forward but if that many Americans are voting for Trump the problem isn't the electoral system.

It's not the only problem but changing the electoral system/constitution also helps with the other problems.

10-22-2017 , 06:12 PM

#1184

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 99,984

LOLOL - the worst piece of crap article you will ever read about media liberal bias: http://nypost.com/2017/10/21/the-oth...-doesnt-cover/

Quote:

Take for instance the issue of the legitimate defensive gun use (DGUs), which is often dismissed by the media as myth. But DGUs happen all the time — 200 times a day, according to the Department of Justice, or 5,000 times a day according to an overly exuberant Florida State University study. But whichever study you choose to believe, DGUs happen frequently and give credence to my hunting friends who see their guns as the last line of defense for themselves and their families.

Even granting 200 DGUs/day - how many rage shootings, accidental shootings, suicides, failed home defenses that escalated because of a gun, etc?

Quote:

At one point during my research, I discovered a video of a would-be robber entering a Houston smoke shop, his purpose conveyed by the pistol that he leveled at the store clerk. But the robber was not the only armed person in the store. The security cameras show Raleigh, the store clerk, walking out from behind the counter, calmly raising his own gun and firing an accurate stream of bullets at the hapless robber. The wounded robber stumbles out, falls over the curb and eventually ends up under arrest.

It is not just the defensive gun use that makes the video remarkable — it is Raleigh himself who evidences such a nonchalance that he never bothers to put down the cigarette that he is smoking. At the end, Raleigh, having protected his store, enthuses “Castle Doctrine, baby” — citing a law that allows a person to use force to defend a legally occupied place.

It is an amazing story, though far from unique, but you simply won’t find many like it in mainstream media (I found it on Reddit).

LOOOL at using one anecdotal story where the author clearly has a fetish for a wild west shootout as a counter-point to biased journalism. That clerk sounds bat**** crazy to me. To draw on an armed robber - he's lucky he didn't wind up dead. All to save the store owner a few $$?

10-22-2017 , 06:46 PM

#1185

sylar

Ivan Drago's homeslice

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 20,307

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Breaking up the US would be terrible for the cause of equality.

Fyp.

10-22-2017 , 06:53 PM

#1186

OmgGlutten!

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 5,273

I mean K-12 schools are complete **** in the USA and charter schools will just make it worse.

10-22-2017 , 07:14 PM

#1187

bobman0330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I see it as basically a forceful way to rewrite the constitution so the tail stops wagging the dog in this country. The adults need to re-take command from the deranged toddlers. Small chance a secession actually happens. But we have to be prepared to go through with it either way.

Why not just rewrite the constitution to be more democratic? I understand you can’t get the amendments ratified, but you can’t get secession ratified either. If you’re going to blow up the system, why not keep the country together and fix the constitution?

10-22-2017 , 07:17 PM

#1188

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

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How? Threat of leaving is the only thing I see possibly working.

If anything we're a few state houses away from red states rewriting the Constitution to completely **** over the country forever.

10-22-2017 , 07:28 PM

#1189

microbet

Solar Powered

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Sounds good. Blue states could throw some more states' rights in in exchange for making the federal government representative of American individuals only and not states. Also, I like the Swiss way of having no individual head of state.

10-22-2017 , 09:44 PM

#1190

Loki

binary duo

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

I predict they will commit outright fraud and either change votes, add votes, or remove votes to ensure their victory.

This literally already happened in deep red Kansas with Kris K Kobach. Why else do you think trump wanted him heading his fake "voter fraud" committee? Trump knew who would help guarantee him a win in 2020.

Expect Kobach to take his vote rigging nationwide. It worked well in Kansas and no one really cared.

10-22-2017 , 09:51 PM

#1191

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

ya I am not pulling my prediction out of thin air. it has already happened many times that we actualy KNOW about. hell, it already cost the dems an election and 100s of thousands of iraqi lifes when it happened in florida with bush over gore.

and the thing with kobach is that he is a complete buffoon. imagine if they actually had someone who was slightly slick and shrewd and covert in charge of this. they use kobach bc it doesnt even matter. they can do whatever the eff they want and there are no repercussions.

10-22-2017 , 10:16 PM

#1192

uDevil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uDevil

Wtf? Where's my amazon money?

In fact, I have received my 38 cents. I will put more thought into how to spend it than this

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/922269734778888192

10-22-2017 , 10:24 PM

#1193

SenorKeeed

mew mew mew

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 37,478

there are 125 million households in USA#1. This is a 500 billion per year tax cut? That's a big tax cut

10-22-2017 , 10:30 PM

#1194

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

Replying to @PressSec

i'd buy a big vineyard and hire an architect to build a sick modern mansion and i'd get a rolls royce and a butler to organize my whole life

i hope she reads it at the white house press briefing tomorrow

10-22-2017 , 10:57 PM

#1195

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 99,984

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

there are 125 million households in USA#1. This is a 500 billion per year tax cut? That's a big tax cut

They probably divided it by the # of households who "actually pay taxes". Because arbitrary wtf yolo.

10-22-2017 , 11:05 PM

#1196

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

there are 125 million households in USA#1. This is a 500 billion per year tax cut? That's a big tax cut

One reply was "I give 10 apples to 1 person and none to the other nine. Everyone has an average of 1 apple, why is everyone mad at me?"

But yea the Weeds podcast had an episode on how silly it is. It's basically took the absolute optimistic end of how much of the corporate tax falls on employees vs shareholders. Other political scientists showed how unrealistic the expectations where. It was something like, using that model, a $1 tax on corporations lowed wages by $20 dollars or something like that. Basically this tax cut is going to magically conjure money out of thin air for employee wages.

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10-22-2017 , 11:09 PM

#1197

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

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We need more of these to explain to the hoi polloi what $4k average tax cut means.

10-22-2017 , 11:12 PM

#1198

OmgGlutten!

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 5,273

Why not just send every person in America $xxxx if that is the goal?

10-23-2017 , 12:06 AM

#1199

Loki

binary duo

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

Argument: The internet has not given us total connectivity, but instead total division

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...rgues-newsweek

10-23-2017 , 10:33 AM

#1200

Huehuecoyotl

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Third Way, the centrist neoliberal Democratic think tank, goes to America's heartland and comes to the conclusion that seems strangely like confirming their presuppositions

Quote:

The report surprised me when I read it. Despite the great variety of views the researchers and I had heard on our tour, the report had somehow reached the conclusion that Wisconsinites wanted consensus, moderation, and pragmatism—just like Third Way. We had heard people blame each other for their own difficulties, take refuge in tribalism, and appeal to extremes. But the report mentioned little of that. Instead it described the prevailing attitude as “an intense work ethic that binds the community together and helps it adapt to change.”

This supposedly universal belief in the value of hard work was the researchers’ principal finding from their trip to Wisconsin. “It is their North Star, guiding their sense of what is right and wrong, inside and outside of WI-3,” the report states. In the face of challenges, from school budget cuts to factory closures, the community had responded “with a fierce work ethic and a no-nonsense attitude.”

We had certainly heard some of that, but it wasn’t all we heard. In many cases, the report presents only one side of an issue about which we’d heard varying views. For example, it quotes a local employer who sang the praises of automation, but none of the union members who worried about jobs disappearing. It quotes a technical-college instructor proclaiming that crises in the education system create opportunities, but none of the public-school teachers who saw their classrooms gutted by voucher programs.

Quote:

The report is short, covering only three big takeaways from the seven listening sessions Third Way conducted. The first is the importance of hard work; the second is the need for a strong workforce. The third, described in a section entitled “Just Get the Hell Out of My Way,” is locals’ purported antagonism to big government. “Whether the question is about immigration or banks, taxes or welfare, the people we spoke to generally felt that government policies were irrelevant to their daily lives,” it states. This view is made to sound like one that was broadly expressed, but in fact, we mostly heard it in just one session—the group of curmudgeonly farmers. Almost all of the quotations in this section are drawn from that group. There are no quotations from the people we met who were pro-government, such as the teachers and laborers and activists, who voiced concern that local, state, and federal government ought to be doing more to take care of people.

Quote:

There was another way the tour had been valuable: As Third Way argued its preferred course for the Democratic Party, its on-the-ground research was already lending crucial credibility to its claims, she said. In meetings with Democratic elected officials and presentations to the DNC, Hale told me, Third Way’s representatives could reel off anecdote after anecdote about the Real People of Middle America they’d met. “The fact that we now have this very direct experience that we can use to tell a story—we get listened to in a different way, because we’ve figured out a better way to say it,” Hale told me. I had no doubt this was true—that Beltway Democrats were eagerly swallowing Third Way’s claims, bolstered by their firsthand accounts of the mysterious heartland. Since the Wisconsin trip, Third Way has published an analysis claiming the Democratic Party cannot win back the House if it focuses on its base and ignores working-class whites, and another that says the party’s main problem is that “Americans don’t see Democrats as the party of jobs.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...merica/543288/

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