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01-25-2019 , 01:32 PM

#26

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

We are exceeding your goals by any form of measurement.

01-25-2019 , 02:12 PM

#27

DeuceKicker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,359

Mediocre. You should have capitalized "are" and ended with a question mark.

01-25-2019 , 02:22 PM

#28

SenorKeeed

mew mew mew

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 37,478

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

And just so nobody can say they weren’t warned:

"or defense of actual nazis or those that support or pay tribute to them"

Just to be clear, would arguing for the free speech rights of Nazis run afoul of this rule? Like taking the ACLU's position on the Skokie Nazis?

01-25-2019 , 02:29 PM

#29

Max Cut

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01-25-2019 , 02:40 PM

#30

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

When I say “actual nazis” I mean literally served in WW2 for Germany nazis. Since they’re all dead or in their 90’s I don’t think many are debating their free speech rights.

01-25-2019 , 02:47 PM

#31

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,681

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuserounder

I'll admit that I have in some ways enjoyed the forum more since the change... in particular, enforcing the rules more strictly on both regs and newcomers is leading to getting rid of drive-by trolling much more quickly, which is nice. It avoids derails, piling on and escalation into posts that violate rules. So, I'll give you credit for that.

01-25-2019 , 04:06 PM

#32

JoltinJake

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,236

Just want to say the mods are doing a terrific job

01-25-2019 , 05:58 PM

#33

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

this place is better than ever. no complaints at all.

01-25-2019 , 07:55 PM

#34

All-In Flynn

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,923

I think the changes are good and I also think that allowing the term 'hate group' to be applied to a subsection of a subsection of a publishing website tends fundamentally to water down that term and as such is bad and shouldn't be permitted. Also, both you as an individual and 2+2 as a publisher are getting way more **** than you deserve over this book thing, honestly. That last part's not really relevant, but it's true so I may as well throw it in there.

01-25-2019 , 08:44 PM

#35

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Mason,

How you doin'?

Hi Tom:

Let me try to answer your question this way. I happen to be 67 and i’ve been around this poker stuff for a long time, so I thought being naive would not be an option. Well, for all you “young’uns” out there, let our problems with the Pulling the Trigger book be a lesson in caution and thoroughness for you.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 08:46 PM

#36

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

We are running like a well oiled machine.

Great. The less you have to deal with me the better.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 08:49 PM

#37

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

My question to you is: How do you threaten to shut down politics unless things change while letting some unsubstantiated rumors and some insults run rampant in NVG?

I never really paid too much attention to that place until the Eli thread, and the behavior in there is magnitudes worse than people getting heated and exchanging insults here.

01-25-2019 , 08:53 PM

#38

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

Mason,

I’d also like to take this opportunity to point out that previously permanently banned poster El Lobo Gordo and his compatriots, in the About the Forums thread politics thread, demonstrated exactly why we need tough moderation on bigotry (which inevitably leads to complaining). Within 24 hours of the creation of the ATF thread, we had posts minimizing and defending nazi salutes and downplaying the significance of the holocaust. Mike Haven did a great job of moderating that thread and eventually it was shut down, but I bring that up only because I know that Gordo is constantly pm’ing you (he’s post-stalking everything I write and pm’ing me / posting about me as well, it’s kind of creepy), trying to get the politics forum shut down. I would take anything that previously banned and now exiled poster who pals around with anti-semites has to say with a huge barrel of salt.

Regards,

—jman220

Edit: You may not remember it, but 11 years ago you and I had some conversations over concerns I had that some of the Anti-Israel posting that occurred in the then politics forum had crossed the line into rampant anti-semitism. At the time, you agreed with me and temporarily shut down the forum until we cleaned that up, which was one of the reasons I became a moderator on this forum in the first place. I know this is an issue that you care about like I do, which is why I think it’s important to point out that it is now coming from the folks who are urging you to shut this forum down.

Hi jman:

I haven’t heard from him in a while so that’s good. Also, I want to personally and publicly thank you for your hard and diligent work.

While we want vigorous debate and all views heard, there are certain extreme lines that can’t be crossed.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 09:00 PM

#39

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

P is now much cleaner and I don't have to scroll past dozens of posts trying pointlessly to own someone who's a clear troll just to get to the bones of what's happening over in Trumpland.

Hi jal:

Your post is a good example of what we need. No one says you have to like Trump. But there’s no reason why these issues can’t be addressed in a vigorous but polite manner.

As an aside, i’ve become very good friends with an African American who is is not a Trump fan. But he has recently told me that I’m the only one he knows on the other side that he can have a good discussion with and “actually learn something.” That’s exactly what we need here.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 09:07 PM

#40

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by bware

+1 to everything said above. I also think jman's blog of mod actions is a great idea--one of the most common complaints has been that opposite sides have been moderated differently, and I think his effort to add transparency to it is a truly beneficial thing and a good faith effort to show that moderation goes both ways, even if one side tends to vent complaints about it more often.

Hi ware:

I agree with your transparency comments. Over the years, we have run 2+2 as transparent as possible, even though there is certain information such as how much different authors make that we don’t give out, and it has rewarded us most positively.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 10:02 PM

#41

DeuceKicker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,359

The lack of piling on with personal attacks is a decent change of pace, but now things feel a bit staid. So I propose this solution:

At the start of every month each side gets to elect their Designated Dunker who will have the responsibility and honor of representing the team. Nobody else will be allowed to launch personal attacks except the DD.

Genius, right?

01-25-2019 , 10:09 PM

#42

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by uke_master

Hi Mason,

It's been going on extremely well. I was always in the camp that this place actually has been pretty good, is LESS toxic than the overwhelming majority of places to consume politics on the internet, is generally full of fairly high information posters, and has some uniquely good elements. For example the trump thread is overwhelmingly my favourite place on the internet to consume the daily trump train. So I never felt that threatening to shut it down was a good idea and would have been a huge loss for people like me that have been on this forum for a decade.

That said, I also think Jman's transparent moderation and your call to action has given a bit of a positive bump on top of that.

Best wishes,
uke

Hi uke:

Good. Thanks for your post.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 11:06 PM

#43

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuserounder

Hi cuse:

Because of these other issues that I unexpectedly have had, very little of my time has been spent here. So I don't have much in the way of thoughts, but am hearing that things are going well.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 11:07 PM

#44

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

mason, you are the boss

Hi Victor:

I like that statement.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 11:09 PM

#45

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Yes, things have been much better since the MAGA supporters have been rounded up and sent to the gulags

and if Stalin was running this place, they wouldn't come back from the gulags.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 11:10 PM

#46

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

The forum is less abrasive, but as we all know there are often unintended consequences outside of a narrow view. I'd like to see some statistics regarding any increases in yelling at family members, coworkers, road rage and substance use.

Hi Johnny:

That energy has to go somewhere. This can be those things you mention, or perhaps better posting.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-25-2019 , 11:15 PM

#47

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

Hi Paul:

To answer your question, the Eli thread is much more complex than most here understand. Our attorney is now involved and it's being monitored closely.

Best wishes,
Mason

01-26-2019 , 02:37 AM

#48

Johnny Truant

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 8,058

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi Johnny:

That energy has to go somewhere. This can be those things you mention, or perhaps better posting.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason,
!
Nicely done. I haven’t been a victim of a dunk like this for a while.

JT

01-26-2019 , 05:52 AM

#49

markksman

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,921

Going to be honest, I have not noticed a difference but I’m not very observant. I also didn’t have any issues before.

The big question is how much weight does the feedback in this thread hold vs the squeaky wheel pms from banned and exiled posters. As nice as it is for the mods to do extra work and the regulars approve of it, none of that is what brought you here and I am pretty confident the people who were complains have not been assuaged even a little bit. There is still a previously BANNED two plus two user openly saying he wants to get this forum closed down. I have a tough time in seeing the earnestness here when that is still a reality.

So I guess is that banned guy posting as Gordo happy? As it seems to have a huge weight in this equation.

01-26-2019 , 10:57 AM

#50

pvn

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This may be my favorite thread of all time.

PS: Mason, you are the best, very cool guy. Can't wait to see what other great ideas are cooking in that brain of yours (it's a marvelous brain).

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