Since when have you liberals every actually cared to talk to someone who has a different opinion? You only know how to shout them down, ban them, make safe zones, boycott them etc. You all think free speech means only for you.....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...zis-right-wing

How are those kinds of absolutist claims conducive to discussion?

This. An excellent suggestion and it is what discourse is sorely lacking now (both sides).

Van Jones took this approach and got somewhere, I felt.

This is not true. There are a great many places in America where if you were to speak openly about say, the military, or the police, or be openly gay, or any one of a range of things that wind up the right you wouldn't be censored as a university might do. You'd be beaten to death by a gang of rednecks.

America has a political correctness problem, but it is of the right not the left.

It is a problem if people are not allowed to speak their minds at universities.

I will say that I honestly think the issue with that seems much worse in the US than it is in the UK. That particular issue seems specific to North America.

Or not.

Let's be real though. I think it's a problem and I shared the above article on Facebook, but it's not a big or important problem. It's not a problem because America is under attack by a left wing determined to end freedom of speech, it's a problem because students engaged in that sort of thing will struggle to cope in an outside world where their rules don't apply.

What has been happening when they get into the workforce?

this is similar to the black guy that befriended some of the most virulent and violent kkers some years ago. he ended up changing their minds basically with this method. the article has been linked here before.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...205-story.html

I don't think this is a winning strategy on a macro level, and I don't go out of my way to engage the deplorables here, but this thread is about friends and family. People we actually know and care about, not people we seek out because we're wanting to convert them. I don't see any contradiction between doing all the things talked about in the Resistance thread, and having conversations with your Trump loving loved ones.

some pretty standard psych stuff, but seems worth a link itt:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...uasion/515181/

the strategy described in the article can be tough to credibly pull off, but imo it can often help move the needle.

They will have more restrictions placed on their speech. At least at many workplaces.


How do you fix the problalm of when a business, like many colleges are, want to restrict speech? Take away their freedom to do so or just juts criticize for them for it but not other businesses?

This is good, but as Michael Steel would say, here's the rub:

The "compassionate" (my lazy term) approach IME isn't very effective. People aka repubs don't change their political views until they stop watching fox news, because no dialogue with a liberal can compete with 6 hours a day of bull**** they're consuming. And since nobody can convince them to change the channel, it's better to say things that will make them feel ashamed and more hesitant to post garbage on facebook. Then liberals can start picking off these special snowflake independents easier, as they distance themselves from the guy who keeps getting shamed for posting infowarz articles.

Studies show that elderly people fall for scams at a higher rates due to an inability to distinguish and pick up on certain visual cues. Maybe that's part of why they couldn't see through Trump.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynr.../#2686888846ec

They might not be mentally sharp enough to change their minds and see con artists like Trump for what they are.

Lol olds. It a ****ty spot for liberals, because we could help these olds avoid scams/voting against their interests, with vigilance, but it seems selfish to assert too much effort toward it when people in Flint are chugging poison water and there's only 24 hours in a day.

The olds vote in people who want to destroy their SS and medicare for no other reason than to spite out groups. If the $ and medical care they depend on isn't enough to get them to change their vote I doubt anything else is going to work.

They have done a bad job of selling the fact that the doughnut hole returns if you repeal ACA to these seniors. Drug prices will go up. First day of the repeal, their costs go up $500. They need to sell that better.

lol this thread is confirmation of the tolerance and open mindedness of the those on the left.

They make less money and work longer hours than previous generations, and face the same racial and gender discriminations, but when they complain about it their bosses blow them off with some bull**** about participation trophies and safe spaces.

Why don't you explain what the left should be open-minded and tolerant about? Republicans are openly embracing white nationalism and blatant corruption without offering a single solution on how to better peoples lives. You offer us in the country absolutely nothing; why should we tolerate you? Trump supporters have to come around on their own or they have to be crushed there is no middle ground

I think this is a really good point. Like I don't know if it's possible to get through to someone who has access to basically an infinite amount of content that confirms their worldview.

Maybe you could stop electing mentally unbalanced people to positions of high office where they could literally destroy the whole world.

Yeah, we are touchy like that.

This is a weird view. The only way I can see fighting bad content is with good content. I think an hour of talking to your friend about good content can undo a day's worth of listening to talk radio. Not sure about watching Fox News but it's kind of on you to help your someone you know get off a destructive news watching binge. One day won't do anything, but it's important to periodically ask them and challenge to think for themselves.

Read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Watch all of the TED Talks by Jonathan Haidt. His latest: https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_h...d_america_heal

And then what? Because if that is the end of the conversation, then what's the point? I don't want to listen to a Trump supporter espouse a bunch of nonsense. I get plenty of that from listening to press conferences.