I don't know either way, but I thought intelligence was at its root a physical trait? Is every other physical trait variable except the brain?

It's still not racist if you replace "Anglo-Celtic" with white. I'm aware that "anglo-celts" are a subset of "white."

How does that paragraph fit this definition of racism? If it doesn't do you have a definition of racism that is different?

That's funny, I knew exactly what it was.

I did too. DUCY?

Still waiting for an example of the "racist garbage" that DiLorenzo spews on a daily basis.

Sorry, you misunderstood. Race baiting is saying incendiary stuff to piss people off. If his intended audience is white and his comments could be incendiary when read by blacks then it isn't race baiting. Its like a race high five or something. Does that make sense?

And yeah, if the book was complete BS that would take it from pseudo science to outright racist propaganda.

And saying people are "dumber" because of their race is definitely racist imo because the word dumb when used in that context carries a strong negative connotation.

Saying the differences in scoring on IQ tests between races is due to genetics isn't necessarily racist. It could even be true. I haven't read anything to make me think that and know environment can have huge consequences on IQ, but whatever, it is certainly possible.

um, no. Amazing that this remains misunderstood.

Also noted for later discussion.

TBH I don't know. I was going off genetics may determine the size of something it doesn't necessarily determine how it would work. Is a person with a larger brain smarter than a person with a smaller one? Depends how/what you measure and even that is not always accurate in measuring someones thinking power.

Do you believe homosexuality is genetic?

OK, that makes more sense. I consider my usage of the term standard as well, and so misinterpreted what you wrote.

While I'm probably slowly making people think I'm racist I might as well jump on this too. Yes and no. Some people are genetically predisposed to being attracted to members pf the same sex in the same way that I am genetically predisposed to being attracted to members of the opposite sex. Environmental factors (traumatic sexual childhood events, no available sexual partners of the opposite sex) can push someone predisposed to heterosexuality to **** or bisexuality.

This is a pretty uniformed opinion but was arrived at logically, I think.

I would agree with SL on this for the most part.

Just reading some Wiki stuff on it. This graph is very interesting:



Would genetic changes account for such changes in scores in such a short amount of time? To me it would seem like it points more towards environment to have such a change like that over a short time frame.

Comes from: Flynn Effect Wiki

Is it racist to prefer to associate with people of your own race? Is it racist to start an organization with that goal in mind? Is it not racist if a black group with that goal is started, and only racist if a white group decides to start such an organization?

Is it racist to want to marry within one's own race?

Guys, I linked Levin's summary of his book. His book is not about whether IQ is hereditary. That's The Bell Curve, which Levin accepts as true.

Levin is exploring the social/policy ramifications of black people being dumber, more impulsive, and more prone to criminality than white.

I think intent factors into whether or not something is racist.

Man I bet I could be regarded as an intellectual giant on the level of a Hoppe or Block if I explained this by noting that Loving v. Virginia likely increased the amount of mixed-race children taking those tests during that time.

We're still waiting for a lot of stuff. You should ask for innuendo and handwaving instead, that way you won't be disappointed.

No. Same reason African-American's score much higher on IQ test than Africans. We know environment plays a huge role in your IQ. I read a study a year or so ago that said even within the family there are factors strong enough so that on average the oldest child fairs 1 or 2 points better on IQ tests.

I'd actually be interested to learn what evidence Nielso is citing to make the fairly outrageous claim that Lincoln was racist.

The man signed the 13th amendment and wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, after all.

These two statements seem to contradict each other.

Huh? I don't think so. I think his point was that the differences are genetic. Exploring the ramifications of those things isn't really interesting. I'm pretty sure those ideas are status quo/popular ideas (except the impulsive one, do you mean like teen/out of wedlock pregnancy or something?). Where he differs is that while most everyone else attributes those differences to wealth classes he attributes it to genetics.

*drunk disclaimer!!!*

I'm pretty sure i read statements Lincoln made about black people that are magnitudes worse than that they were "fleet footed" or whatever Ron Paul got ripped for. I can't remember where. I think it was in like one of his Senatorial debates or some such jibba jabba.