Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
How Libertarians Win Friends And Influence People With Their Positions on the Civil War How Libertarians Win Friends And Influence People With Their Positions on the Civil War

07-21-2012 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissileDog
To be legitimate you either gotta win the war, or peacefully negotiate a withdraw... and then be internationally recognized by the existing nation-states.

The US isn't a "sub-part" of the UN in the sense we are speaking of, so that doesn't make any sense. Also the UN complex is located in NYC, and is basically dependent on the NYPD/USSS for their external security. It would be quick work by the US military to embargo, occupy, or simply destroy it.
but aren't we? The U.N. creates legislation that it's "sub-parts" consider legitimate and binding, doesn't it? All sub-parts have representation in the U.N. just as southern states had in Congress.

Also, saying that the U.N.=the U.N. building is like saying the USA=the White House. If that were the case, the White House burning paintings posted all over this subforum by some of our Brit counterparts would be proof that Britain won the war of 1812, by "destroying" America.
07-21-2012 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
but, if only as many white people were smoking it, and the white population is 4x larger than black population...that would mean blacks have a 400% higher likelihood of smoking crack, correct?

the point is, not everything Fly (and yourself, apparently) or the SuperPC culture in this country considers racism is actually racism.
No. LOL. Proportions do not make a drug a black or white drug. If only African-Americans smoked crack... perhaps then you could make that argument. The drug doesn't discriminate by the color of the user.
07-21-2012 , 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
No. LOL. Proportions do not make a drug a black or white drug. If only African-Americans smoked crack... perhaps then you could make that argument. The drug doesn't discriminate by the color of the user.
so, according to your above statement, when major league baseball had *one* black player (Jackie Robinson, Brooklyn Dodgers 1947 season), it wasn't a "white" sport?
07-21-2012 , 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
so, according to your above statement, when major league baseball had *one* black player (Jackie Robinson, Brooklyn Dodgers 1947 season), it wasn't a "white" sport?
Ever heard of the Negro League?
07-21-2012 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
Ever heard of the Negro League?
of course.

to rephrase; "When the MLB had only *one* black player, was it or was it not a "white" league?


also, you are just playing semantics with me now, and it just proves that you can't justify your knee-jerk racism claims.
07-21-2012 , 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
of course.

to rephrase; "When the MLB had only *one* black player, was it or was it not a "white" league?


also, you are just playing semantics with me now, and it just proves that you can't justify your knee-jerk racism claims.
No. You are playing games with red herrings. The media portrayed crack as a black drug when it was a drug used by all races. If you want to say anything it was a drug that affected impoverished communities, which do include white people and non-blacks.
07-21-2012 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
No. You are playing games with red herrings. The media portrayed crack as a black drug when it was a drug used by all races. If you want to say anything it was a drug that affected impoverished communities, which do include white people and non-blacks.
no, I am saying that it might not be a misnomer to label Methamphetamine a "white" drug, since it is primarily used by whites, and furthermore that it wouldn't count as racism since the latter happens to be a fact.

You on the other hand are implying that if even *one* white person used crack, ever, it wasn't a "black" drug. And by that logic, slavery was not a "black" condition, since there were (very very few) white slaves (but there were some) in America.

Anyway, the entire point was to emphasize how brainwashed you have been by the current PC trends in America. Pointing out things like "subtle racism" that may or may not even be racism to begin with (such as stating a fact about the black/white/brown/whatever population of a country).
07-21-2012 , 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
no, I am saying that it might not be a misnomer to label Methamphetamine a "white" drug, since it is primarily used by whites, and furthermore that it wouldn't count as racism since the latter happens to be a fact.

You on the other hand are implying that if even *one* white person used crack, ever, it wasn't a "black" drug. And by that logic, slavery was not a "black" condition, since there were (very very few) white slaves (but there were some) in America.

Anyway, the entire point was to emphasize how brainwashed you have been by the current PC trends in America. Pointing out things like "subtle racism" that may or may not even be racism to begin with (such as stating a fact about the black/white/brown/whatever population of a country).
Nice generalization.

Except you seem to not notice that it wasn't like one white guy smoking crack. Nor is it like one non-white person smoking meth.

Do you think it is fair that poor whites from the South often get targeted as dumb, inbred hicks? It is not like
I do not understand racism can be a two or three way street.

Differentiating between someone's skin tone is racism in a subtle form of racism. The differences between varying races are culturally based, not skin based.
07-21-2012 , 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
Nice generalization.

Except you seem to not notice that it wasn't like one white guy smoking crack. Nor is it like one non-white person smoking meth.

Do you think it is fair that poor whites from the South often get targeted as dumb, inbred hicks? It is not like
I do not understand racism can be a two or three way street.

Differentiating between someone's skin tone is racism in a subtle form of racism. The differences between varying races are culturally based, not skin based.
now we're making progress. I agree that generalization is generally bad, but you have to admit it can be useful in some situations. If I am describing a poker opponent to you, and I say he is LAG, is that a generalization? Is that useful? Answer is yes to both.

The only disagreement (and it's a very big disagreement, lol) I still have is with the part in bold. You seem to be implying that the mere mention of somebody's skin color is racism. It is not. If we, as a society, accept that it is racist just to acknowledge an individual's skin tone, where do we draw the line on everything else? Is it then sexist to mention that my coworker Shawn happens to be female? Is it anti-semitic to mention that I won't be serving hot dogs at my BBQ because my neighbor is Jewish?
07-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer

The only disagreement (and it's a very big disagreement, lol) I still have is with the part in bold. You seem to be implying that the mere mention of somebody's skin color is racism. It is not. If we, as a society, accept that it is racist just to acknowledge an individual's skin tone, where do we draw the line on everything else? Is it then sexist to mention that my coworker Shawn happens to be female? Is it anti-semitic to mention that I won't be serving hot dogs at my BBQ because my neighbor is Jewish?
It is not the mere mention of skin tone. It is when you start automatically attributing negative stereotypes onto people because depictions in the media that people buy into.

For instance:

Hip hop is branded misogynistic, sometimes reverse-racist, and a whole slough of other things. And people avoid guys who dress up in that style fearing the worst.

Meanwhile I have heard some metal bands that are misogynistic, racist, etc. Yet people aren't as uncomfortable with metalheads.

I do not blame people for this. Or think poorly of people because of it. I just think of it as a divide people have not climbed over yet.
07-21-2012 , 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWf
Thanks for the link. I pulled this out of the article
Quote:
The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a perpetual union between these states
Assuming this is true (I have never read the Articles of Confederation) it would appear that the succession was illegal.
07-21-2012 , 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
but aren't we? The U.N. creates legislation that it's "sub-parts" consider legitimate and binding, doesn't it? All sub-parts have representation in the U.N. just as southern states had in Congress.

Also, saying that the U.N.=the U.N. building is like saying the USA=the White House. If that were the case, the White House burning paintings posted all over this subforum by some of our Brit counterparts would be proof that Britain won the war of 1812, by "destroying" America.
The UN is not like that all. it's a loose agreement amongst states to steal with minor ****. It basically has no power or authority over large states if they don't want it to. The united states is one of the worst players in the international game. We constantly thumb our noses at the whole thing. Most **** the UN does is only binding if we actually want it to be binding.
07-21-2012 , 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
Hypothetically, if the USA decided to withdraw (or "secede") from the U.N., should the U.N. be allowed to send troops here and kill millions for the purpose of keeping us in the U.N.?
Do you live on some other plane of existence where this isn't the single worst analogy ever created?
07-21-2012 , 10:59 PM
I call.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
It's kind of like baseball. All 18 of the players know what game they are playing. So do the dudes on the bench, and the coaches and umps, and the fans in the stands. They know the rules and have agreed beforehand on how to play the game.

The thing is, they could easily drop their gloves and just start having sex with each other, but they don't.

But they don't.
07-21-2012 , 11:01 PM
lolwut
07-21-2012 , 11:07 PM
INAR's is top five analogies ITF OAT.
07-21-2012 , 11:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
... Hypothetically, if the USA decided to withdraw (or "secede") from the U.N., should the U.N. be allowed to send troops here and kill millions for the purpose of keeping us in the U.N.?
It's easy to kill millions when you got billions of these puppies at your disposal, just like the UN does...

07-21-2012 , 11:33 PM
so I think it got lost in the discussion of the yankeedouche dot gif

did anyone dig up the obviously racist neoconfederate posts from mjkidd?
07-21-2012 , 11:38 PM
07-22-2012 , 12:03 AM
wow mjkidd, that goatee sux
07-22-2012 , 12:14 AM
07-22-2012 , 12:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverman
haters seem perturbed at the moment
Fly's always like that.
07-22-2012 , 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D


insidemanpoker is pretty sensitive about his beliefs...
That's what you got out of his post? Really?
07-22-2012 , 12:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
There is a difference between open racism and subtler forms of it. People may even adopt racist beliefs without thinking about it. Like "welfare queens" slur or the skewed belief crack was a black drug. Even though as many white people were smoking it.
Right. The subtler form is the kind where you can just call someone racist despite them not having said anything racist and win the argument.
07-22-2012 , 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexM
Right. The subtler form is the kind where you can just call someone racist despite them not having said anything racist and win the argument.


been over this already with someone herpderp

      
m