3.50 days? Years? Or was that not a serious answer?

My answer is 30 years.

Yes, that's the point.
Okay, this is coming close to an answer, but you still didn't answer. Also, you think that being enslaved is as bad as being killed?

Oh, I see. I agree, the CSA was not justified in suppressing secession from the CSA in order to extend slavery. I doubt you will find anyone in this thread who disagrees.

Yes it does, it lends insight into your moral reasoning. So just for ****s and giggles, can you answer?

That depends on the condition of slavery and slave-owner. If I had happen to fall into the hands of a slave-owner who treated his slaves as properly as the situation allowed... no

But if it was continual degradation and torture... yes

This thread has to set some kind of all-time politards record for pure lulz-delivery.

I was enjoying Wookie and DVaut's late night back and forth myself, these threads are always gold

Pretty sure that this thread is nowhere as close in hilarity as a bunch of grown men arguing about penis.

Cool? I guess.

Compensated emancipation was tried and the South weren't having any of it, right?

Do you guys think Ron Paul is genuinely ignorant of this fact, or is he just pandering?

My guess is genuinely ignorant, but I suspect Ron Paul is ignorant of a great many things. He still can't seem to grasp why a gold standard is a really, really bad idea. I don't know where people get the idea that because someone is an MD, they must be a great critical thinker in all things.

If not genuine ignorance, than he's being intentionally deceptive. That also wouldn't shock me.

I thought this was only offered to Northern slave owners after the civil war began. Am I wrong?

edit- ok, nevermind. I can see where the proccess was proposed after Lincoln's election

A mixture of it.

in to subscribe to this neverending cluster****

This thread shall rise again?

Couple o' things. First off, it takes two to tango. I don't know why this is so ****ing hard for you guys. Why is the burden on the NORTH to justify killing hundreds of thousands of people? Yeah, they could've just gotten shot by the Southerners. What a tyrant was Lincoln.


The answer to that question is both kind of self-evident and irrelevant, because who cares? This thread isn't "How FlyWf constructs a universal system of political morality and applies it to random hypotheticals".

It's about the actual Civil War that actually happened that was actually started by the Confederacy under pretty much any definition of "started" you care to use.

Just like the last time this thread got bumped, what happened is Ron Paul said some objectively incorrect, morally reprehensible, and just generally ****ing racist **** about the middle of the 19th century. Some snarky liberals made fun of St. Ron, and the Babies of the Confederacy had to ride in to defend Dixie and Ron Paul. Just had to! You can't be letting no Yankee bastard spread his 8th grade edumacation around on the interwebs. Thinking they so high and mighty just because they know what actually happened and form their beliefs based on that.

Well, not exactly defend Ron Paul because they don't know what he said, but to defend the Confederacy against the implications and false dichotomies that people are making. Well, maybe people aren't making them in this thread, but they could be making them somewhere. For example, you clearly think that Lincoln was a hot head who wanted war. Which is weird, because earlier in this thread there are pages and pages and pages of **** all about Lincoln bending over backward to appease Southern interests to prevent war. At the time those are used as CONCLUSIVE PROOF that the war wasn't about slavery, but now bizarrely Lincoln was just a hothead who loved war? War for just the hell of it?

Long story short, the Confederacy is Han Solo and Abraham Lincoln is Greedo. Totally justified for them to secede and then start shooting, they were afraid that they were going to lose their slaves.

To be fair, Paul D, apparently not everyone gets taught the difference between Klan literature and history books. We should not be so harsh on those less fortunate.

sards isn't a neo-confederate everybody, he's just your ordinary average guy who blames Abraham Lincoln for the Civil War and doesn't see what's so bad for black people about segregation. That's not being a neo-confederate(lol!), that's just common sense.

Fly, if Lincoln let his troops starve, if he let the CSA illegally secede, if he let millions of (black) Americans get abused daily and if he let the south repeatedly shoot at union forces on a mission of mercy then he would have been forgiven by the south and a very small niche of northern dorm room internet libertarians in the 21st century.

It is Lincoln's fault, ducy, ill let TC, pvn, Tsao and others explain.

Until they run away from the forum like borodog did or when the subject gets banned in the sticky. Either way.

The thing you said had nothing to do with the thing I said. I don't expect you to ever not straw man though.

I live in the south. I must say, this place has a way of brewing up some weird politics.

No. It's common sense that the Civil War was devastating and horrible, and it takes two sides to fight a war, so Lincoln deserves at least some of the blame. But the south was much more morally reprehensible than the north.

Also, I of course agree that segregation was bad for black people. So if you wouldn't mind, stop misrepresenting my position.

yeah, news for you buddy, there are people in this forum that can't wrap their head around the fact that someone can say something even slightly less than 100% positive without also be a huge neoconfederate league of the south battle-flag-waving whack job.

wow

oh wow, look fly, it's another one of those false dichotomies you never can seem to find

I have seen a lot of claims that the south seceded illegally. I think a lot of this argument comes down to if this claim is true. At the time the Constitution was ratified, was it viewed as a permanent union or one that members could leave if they decided to do so? BTW I am asking because I don't know, so links would be nice if anyone has any.