It's a minor point but London is 60% white and that isn't really affected all that much by having a Pole or two hidden in your basement. And England is only slightly less white than the UK as a whole. There's a lot of England where you scarcely see a black face.

France is not a particularly close ally of the US btw.

The UK is a central part of the American System. We're not just their lapdogs; we house a financial centre with a crucial position in the dollar economy. We generally work closely together in the Security Council and of course the close military and intelligence cooperation that was so valuable in WWII has continued. So to the first question, very.

The UK is slightly more peripheral in the European Union, although of course its large economy and political pull mean that it is an important voice. The UK benefits a lot from the EU, of course, although arguably its value to Europe would mean it wouldn't lose some of those benefits were it to leave. (Not being able to influence the regulation of our most important market may be a detriment those who want the UK to leave don't consider enough.) It's not as closely bound in to Europe as many other countries: it doesn't use the euro and a bit shamefully is not part of Schengen, but it is still incredibly influential in Europe. Probably more influential today than it ever was before the world wars. We continue also to project power in Europe. So I'd say our relationship with Europe is very important, but with the EU? I mean, it is right now, but it's a sometimes rocky relationship and although it's very important, it's not cut and dried how much value it has over the alternative.

UK is very much the USA's lapdogs. Notice how the UK was willing to detain Glenn Greenwald's boyfriend (as a terrorist!) because Glenn embarrassed the USA. From your point of view, all Glenn did was reveal that the USA was spying on you.

Well, he was stopped for smuggling top secret docs of a NATO ally, but let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

Also, seven Britons extradited for every one American. Decent ratio.

http://www.publications.parliament.u...#1206202001307

The first and last point are wholeheartedly incorrect. I'm not even sure what the middle point means...

What has the UK given the US musically then? The Beatless is not an acceptable answer.

Pink Floyd, The Who, Black Sabbath, The Bee Gees (70s lol), Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, Queen.

Shall I continue?

Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Who, The Smiths.

Important to include those four.

Edit, overlooked you included The Who.

Yeah sorry my list wasn't meant to be exhaustive, just the artists that I thought made a big impression on America

You scared me for a second, I thought this meant Jimi Hendrix was actually British.

I almost fell out of my chair because I was laughing so hard. Comparing Britain and Canada's contribution to fighting the Axis to the Russians is just so hilariously stupid.

Assuming the US stays neutral, once Russia turns back the Germans, they invade Japan and don't give two ****s about the UK. Then Germany eventually invades your tiny POS country with the remnants of their Eastern Front army combined with everything else. GG.

Maybe the Germans could try to invade us, it could even be called the Battle of Britain!

Germany would have offered a peace treaty and then turned towards America. America goes down when the German and British created atomic weapons delivered on V3 rockets strike the east coast in the late 1940s.

wait wait, you wanted Britain to ally with the Germans against America?

I didnt want anything I wasnt born until the 1980s. I am saying that if America stayed out and Russia didnt push on to allow the allies chance to organise a D-Day then Britain would have taken a peace treaty which would have eventually led to trading technology.

America was always getting directly involved with WW2 because it was in their interest to do so even if PH wasnt attacked.

Jimi was from Seattle. The band isn't what made him great.

He only had a career, short as it was, because he moved to London. America rejected Jimi.

Not sure if Phill is more delusional about WWII or Jimi Hendrix

idk about Jimi, but the influence of UK rock in the 60's-70's was immense and it's not close to debatable.

Its jimi. Unless the Beatles are really german, cuz they got big after a ton of shows in Munich brothels.

And I see that Phillll is ignoring the 30 billion (in 1941 dollars!) of weapons USA#1 gave England. Good luck turning back the Germans with whatever wwi junk you had laying around without that help

Gave?

We were paying off the bill on that 'gift' until around ten years ago.

Sorry for that 2% interest 50 year loan old chap. That was for stuff we sent to you after the termination of aid in 1945 that was already in transit. We let you have that stuff for a billion pounds or something.

We gave you 31 billion dollars worth (in WWII era dollars) of free stuff before that. And 50 destroyers in 1940. nbd, it was chump change to us.

Anyone commenting on the World Wars should be barred from the thread.

What we are talking about here is the relationship between the countries. It is an extremely important relationship for all. The UK and USA have so much in common. People, language, beliefs, values etc. We also share complex financial markets and are both Capitalist countries. What other countries are so close and can be relied upon so much? USA/UK/Canada/Australia all basically share the same values. The USA and UK also share A LOT of intelligence/military etc.

It is a great relationship for the both of us.

That sounds like a list of all the things that make it a terrible relationship for the people of the UK tbh.

The UK relevent or Important???

You're going to have to come up with something beter than Monte Python to be at all important. Fairy Poofters just aren't that big of a deal any more.