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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
I could be way wrong but the way I see it I can't truly be said to own something if I'm not allowed to keep others from interacting with it (if I have that ability). [...]
And I think you got thingees a little backwards here. We were talking about possible rights of privacy, and how such rights may or may not interact logically with possible rights of property. The question isn't how some already given sense of property rights can be stretched and strained to somehow create some derivative subsidiary rights of privacy.
How are these two prospective rights related? That question still hasn't even been discussed. Over the course of human history all sorts of societies did not have the concept of "property rights" at all, or their ideas along these lines are and were so different and as far as Libertarians (&etc) so weak that they could be said the "barely" have property rights. A majority of human history could easily be included in that category, depending on how one defines "property" and "rights".
Are Libertarians (&etc) really going to argue that all those different societies without their "flavor" or strong property rights, perhaps the majority of human existence, that those people had no concept of privacy rights? Are Libertarians (&etc) really going their flavor of "property rights" is either a
necessary or sufficient condition logically for rights to privacy to exist? And again, does the person who owns no property have no rights under Libertarianism (&etc)?
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This seems like an odd thing for a boss to be doing. There are far easier ways of perving on people than taking the time money and effort to set up a business run it for a few years work 18 hour days become successful start to take on workers and then be like "finally I get to see when someone goes to the bathroom!" Only then to lose all that hard work when people realise what kind of a weirdo you are and go work somewhere else.
Well sure their are easier ways, a wealthy perv can just buy up an existing business and order the extra cameras installed out of a catalog. LOL do you really think your typical boss got there by working 18 hour days as startups ???? Some of you dudes really do live in fantasy land. OK, what percentage of bosses do you really think "earned" their way 18 hours at a time, 90%, 70%, 51%, or were you just coming up with a reverse "strawman" to use for yourself.
And I always love the Kumbaya hippy-happy face of Libertarian (&etc). Sure bosses actively abuse every "statist" law to invade workers privacy right now, but hey... if we switch to LiberLand, and give those exact same bosses even more power, well in that case... it seems "like an odd thing to do" for a boss, why would they want to do that? Don't worry they all of a sudden won't in LiberLand, because Kumbaya, Kumbaya, Kumbaya... it's LiberLand, Duh!
The reason people bring up these "border condition" cases is to show the holes in the LiberLogic. And every time it is the hand-waive well they just wouldn't want to anymore, why do you ask non-answers... LOL,LOL,LOL!!!