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Old 06-14-2017, 03:36 PM   #151
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I'm surprised that nobody in the media has been gunned down when you consider the media is "the enemy of the American people" as Trump would say. The rhetoric powered by people like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity and others is on such a pinheaded level that nothing would surprise me now. Don't these folks ever look in the mirror and realize that they might be part of the problem?
There's surprising little correlation between how loathed a public figure is and how often someone takes a shot at them. Gerry Ford got shot at, and by all accounts he was viewed as a nice guy - Reagan was pretty much viewed as a pleasantly demented grandpa type, and he got shot. Nixon, who was probably the most hated person in America for a number of years.....nothing.

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Old 06-14-2017, 03:40 PM   #152
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I'm surprised that nobody in the media has been gunned down when you consider the media is "the enemy of the American people" as Trump would say.
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There's surprising little correlation between how loathed a public figure is and how often someone takes a shot at them.
Probably not what you guys mean, but before we give America three cheers for their devotion to non-violence and the sacrosanct Fourth Estate, do recall that someone murdered a reporter and a cameraman live on air less than 2 years ago.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:40 PM   #153
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So let me get this straight. A crazed lefty opens fire on some Republicans, and the Republicans are the villains? I love how you guys "think".
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:42 PM   #154
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Conservatives took MLK from us with violence and now they want to throw in our face the idea that he was a magical mystical nonviolent super person who changed the world through nonviolence and peace and love.
Who did more to advance their cause, MLK or the guy who shot him?
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:46 PM   #155
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So let me get this straight. A crazed lefty opens fire on some Republicans, and the Republicans are the villains? I love how you guys "think".
I fear when both parties continue down the road of only serving the rich and corporations and the corrupt and screwing everybody else this is only going to get worse.

Republicans aren't heroes while trying to end healthcare for some sick people just for $ for rich people; that's for sure. The line between good/bad gets blurred quickly.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:48 PM   #156
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Probably not what you guys mean, but before we give America three cheers for their devotion to non-violence and the sacrosanct Fourth Estate, do recall that someone murdered a reporter and a cameraman live on air less than 2 years ago.
Nah - just a random observation. My only (vague) point was that it seems strange to me that Kennedy go shot and no one took a pop at Tricky Dick.

And believe me, I don't have any illusions about how non-violent we aren't as a society. I go to work in four hours, and someone (or multiple someones) will be shot/stabbed/otherwise ****ed up while I'm on duty.

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Old 06-14-2017, 03:50 PM   #157
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So let me get this straight. A crazed lefty opens fire on some Republicans meteor strikes the earth, and the Republicans are the villains? I love how you guys "think".
"Crazed lefty" is irrelevant to republicans being villains.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:52 PM   #158
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Who did more to advance their cause, MLK or the guy who shot him?
You totally fail to reckon with the fact that taking MLK out of the game IS a major victory for the conservative movement! Sure, MLK may have accomplished more, but this allowed one person to take out a great organizer, a great writer, a great activist who was more than that other guy could have ever aspired to be. As I mentioned earlier, MLK was only 39 when he was killed.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:52 PM   #159
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This shooting has changed my world view.

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Old 06-14-2017, 03:52 PM   #160
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Wow...It's all about them is it? While Republican's blood is still wet. While cities still haven't rebuilt or paid for Dem riots. You bring up this? After all the death threats that Repubs get. Hope all you snowflakes don't melt this summer. It's going to get hot.
LOL, GTFO here w/ your faux outrage.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:58 PM   #161
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So which forum reg is Hodgkinson?
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Serious question. If this happens is it not time to contemplate forceful removal of Trump? If not, when?
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By who?

The only redress we have is to take to the streets and start threatening or doing economic damage, but
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Seriously, Max Cut and David Simon are right. If he can fire Mueller, then rule of law doesn't apply to the President, and the people have no choice but to submit or fight back. Like, if that's possible, why not "postponing" elections?
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? Ecriture is on the side of the GOP will come around if it gets too bad, but he's wrong. Count me on Team Brick.
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:02 PM   #162
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Scalise is apparently in critical condition? Sounds worse than was originally thought.
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:03 PM   #163
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Non-graphic video that basically just captures the sounds of shots fired. Many more shots than I imagined.

http://nypost.com/2017/06/14/the-mom...r-opened-fire/
so expect less townhalls?
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:14 PM   #164
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You totally fail to reckon with the fact that taking MLK out of the game IS a major victory for the conservative movement! Sure, MLK may have accomplished more, but this allowed one person to take out a great organizer, a great writer, a great activist who was more than that other guy could have ever aspired to be. As I mentioned earlier, MLK was only 39 when he was killed.
If MLK had advocated for violence I think he accomplishes less and his odds of getting assassinated would have gone up.
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:15 PM   #165
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Scalise is apparently in critical condition? Sounds worse than was originally thought.
I've heard both critical and stable in the last hours so who knows?
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:22 PM   #166
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You totally fail to reckon with the fact that taking MLK out of the game IS a major victory for the conservative movement! Sure, MLK may have accomplished more, but this allowed one person to take out a great organizer, a great writer, a great activist who was more than that other guy could have ever aspired to be. As I mentioned earlier, MLK was only 39 when he was killed.
To the point that conservatives now get to claim they are on his side and quote him unironically when opposing civil rights.
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:25 PM   #167
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Looks like we need a Bernie's America thread. Might have to fake a story about some diverse college kids ripping the baseball hat off my head and taking it to a safe space, tho.
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:14 PM   #168
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Representative Steve King blames shooting on the ‘left’

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“I don’t know anything about the perpetrator,” said King, referring to the gunman who fired at members of Congress during their baseball practice. “But I do know that America is divided. . . . And the violence is appearing in the streets. And it’s coming from the left.”
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“Our discussion this morning was to be about the disappearance of the American center. And the polarization of our country that has taken place,” King said. “I regret what I’ve seen in this society. This bitterness. This acrimony. This division that’s taking place.”
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:14 PM   #169
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Scalise in critical condition...serious question:

What would it mean if he dies? How would that hurt or help the Dem cause?

I'm looking forward to the sound bite of Scalise, in a wheelchair, defending gun rights.
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:19 PM   #170
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I've heard both critical and stable in the last hours so who knows?
I've looked this up in the past. The Wikipedia page is helpful, although it doesn't help to clear up ambiguity of "stable."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_state
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:22 PM   #171
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“Our discussion this morning was to be about the disappearance of the American center. And the polarization of our country that has taken place,” King said. “I regret what I’ve seen in this society. This bitterness. This acrimony. This division that’s taking place.”
Says the guy who is so far right of center that he is a cartoon character.
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:35 PM   #172
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Scalise in critical condition...serious question:

What would it mean if he dies? How would that hurt or help the Dem cause?

I'm looking forward to the sound bite of Scalise, in a wheelchair, defending gun rights.
Snark ftw so let's make this yet another gun control debate. By all accounts that I've read and heard was that the perpetrator would have easily qualified in any background ckeck in purchasing a gun. The guy had no record (he was charged with a crime once but charges were dropped), he had no history of mental illness that I've heard of. He lived in Illinois which to my understanding has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Short of repealing the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all guns what gun control law would have kept a gun out of his hands? I can't think of any. I guess I will just note that you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment and confiscate all guns. Fair enough?
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:39 PM   #173
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I guess I will just note that you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment and confiscate all guns. Fair enough?
In which adios claims and loses the moral high ground in the span of just a few sentences
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:45 PM   #174
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Assault rifles should not be owned by any private citizens
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In which adios claims and loses the moral high ground in the span of just a few sentences
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