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Old 06-16-2017, 12:26 PM   #401
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Why do you think that about the revolver? What qualities does the revolver have that make it so ineffective? If Holmes had a revolver, how many people would he have been able to kill do you think / why?
I'm not bothered by being trolled. Just state what exactly you're trolling me about.

I'm not a gun expert, but common sense says it would take a lot longer to re-load a revolver bullet by bullet than just shoving a new clip into a semi-automatic. That alone would be enough time to subdue the shooter or get out of harm's way. Not to mention the magazine capacity of an AK-47 is 30 bullets compared to the 5 or 6 in a revolver. Lastly, a semi-automatic gets off more shots per second than a revolver can.

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Old 06-16-2017, 12:39 PM   #402
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Um ok. Really has nothing to do with my posts though.

Lets get back to the dems overthrowing a dictator with their guns.
It's not a matter of just overthrowing a dictator (and btw, a would-be dictator would have to overthrow us first, which would be much harder to do when people are armed with guns rather than slingshots). But that's not even my point...

Police forces shouldn't be able to take control over entire swaths of cities or populations without any resistance. You assume police are good and will always be on your side. But maybe the next time a cop murders a black dude and a riot ensues, an edict comes down to round up all blacks on the street. Or someone decides to order the rounding up of Muslims or Hispanics to check for citizenship. Citizens should have the right to resist something like that.

It could be any number of things. The current AG wants to jail pot users. What if some right wing idiot judge issues search warrants targeting specific communities or saying that stop and frisk is okay and let's round up all these pot smokers and put them in jail?

Obviously, these are all fringe black swan events not likely to occur. But part of the idea for the right to bear arms is to have protection against unlikely events like these.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:42 PM   #403
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That post was sarcastic. I don't know if you're post is sarcastic or what you are questioning, but QED stands for "quod erat demonstrandum" and means "thus it has been demonstrated. " It's commonly used in math.
I simply meant to say that you didn't actually prove your contention (though its probably true).
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:44 PM   #404
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It's proven much more than the quoted statistic it was making fun of.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:50 PM   #405
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This idea that political debate need not devolve into the personal realm is incorrect in the present climate. It only works if one thinks his opponent is disagreeing because he is "mistaken". But if one thinks that their own stance is the obviously correct one, and thus the only explanation for disagreement is that the opponent is selfish or evil, or is lazy and wants to freeload, there is no hope that the debate doesn't become personal.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:43 PM   #406
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Right. Except that you have to factor in the different fiscal ideologies between the right and left (it's not just social). Socialism is a dirty word to many conservatives. They consider it downright treasonous! You can have a reasonable debate about fiscal matters. What's the best way to reduce the deficit, how to stimulate the economy and bring jobs back, etc. Social justices leave no room for debate. Racism is simply NOT okay under any circumstances. Nor is telling people who they can fall in love with and denying gay couples the right to marry. So on these issues there really should be no debate. However...

It takes time for some people to come to terms with some of these social issues. When I was a kid the term gay was a derogatory term. It was something you called a guy as an insult. I did it myself! I was of the mindset that being gay wasn't natural and it was wrong. This was an all too commonly held viewpoint. I even had teachers in school used the word gay to chastise a male student! It was common practice. It wasn't until I started LEARNING about the subject of homosexuality that I started seeing the error of my ways. Oh, science shows that it's genetic? Homosexuality exists throughout the animal kingdom? What really IS wrong with two men or women falling in love?

Same issues apply to racism. I still struggle to see what's racist about certain issues. And when I do, I question them (and quickly get called an incorrigible racist on 2p2). Not everyone is born with the social purity of a Fly or a +rep. Recognizing social injustices especially, as a white male who has never had to deal with being discriminated against can be a learning curve. And I think the more isolated one was as a child growing up (such as OurHouse's mom?) the more there is to learn. So that's why I'm for being a little more tolerant and TEACHING people about social justices, rather than just writing them off.

Anyway, Sanders was my guy and I was very upset because I think he got screwed by the DNC. I still believe he would've beaten Trump in the general election and I'm not sure I'll ever forgive the DNC for that. My main point though is that there are also fiscal concerns that people also feel very strongly about and Sanders was never an option for them.
Reducing taxes for the rich is Trumps agenda, and i cant really understand how 50% of the US thought that was a good idea.

Then again, 42% of the US believe Creationist View of Human Origins, and i bet the vast majority of them voted for Trump.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:19 PM   #407
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man shut the **** up lestat

wtf is it with these tone policing novel writing fake libs
Hey mods. Okay if I tell +rep to shut the **** up because when his sensitive snowflake ears hears a social liberal who's happens to be pro 2A his puny brain assplodes? Or is that another ban? Okay, so here's comes ban #3

Hey +rep. I DON'T GIVE A **** WHAT YOU THINK SO SHUT THE **** UP!
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:23 PM   #408
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Social liberal I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Old 06-16-2017, 02:30 PM   #409
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it's not just amazing that lestat has never actually defended any liberal positions in his life and is still here wagging fingers at liberals for being meanies, he's even been given explicit instructions on how to fake it better and he just refuses to listen, as if he's paranoid of falling into some trap. it's unreal how badly out of touch these right wing concern trolls are
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:38 PM   #410
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Obviously, these are all fringe black swan events not likely to occur. But part of the idea for the right to bear arms is to have protection against unlikely events like these.
No, the Second Amendment was drawn up purely to arm the southern colonies' slave patrols to keep the blacks down.

Not black swans.

Black people.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:16 PM   #411
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Hey mods. Okay if I tell +rep to shut the **** up because when his sensitive snowflake ears hears a social liberal who's happens to be pro 2A his puny brain assplodes? Or is that another ban? Okay, so here's comes ban #3

Hey +rep. I DON'T GIVE A **** WHAT YOU THINK SO SHUT THE **** UP!
Dude, shut the **** up. You haven't said anything different from 100s of other "liberals" who really really think it would be helpful if other liberals would be nicer to conservatives. Seriously, **** off with you tone policing, concern trolling, bull****. If you really are liberal, go register as a republican, we don't want you.
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Old 06-18-2017, 05:37 AM   #412
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:30 PM   #413
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it's not just amazing that lestat has never actually defended any liberal positions in his life and is still here wagging fingers at liberals for being meanies, he's even been given explicit instructions on how to fake it better and he just refuses to listen, as if he's paranoid of falling into some trap. it's unreal how badly out of touch these right wing concern trolls are
Maybe it will finally sink in after the GOP controls EVERY political seat and you've set racial equality back 30-40 years. We’re already seeing open racist sentiment and an increase of hate crimes. That’s not because of people like me. It's because of people like YOU and Fly.

You’ve squeezed out the entire middle with your easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming at people. When people are torn between liberal issues they hold with a conservative one, they almost always shift/vote RIGHT. Very rarely will a liberal issue (like pro-choice) overpower a conservative one (like 2A) and cause someone to vote left.

But keep making sure that Karen ****ing Handels beat the Jon Ossofs! Think about that... How bad of a ****ing job are you doing when a Dem can’t even win in a political climate where the GOP are stealing Supreme Court Judges, gerrymandering districts, restricting voters, kicking 23M off health Insurance, giving the richest people tax cuts, all the while having the most unpopular nutcase in history in the WH? And you think I’M the problem? LMFAO!
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:48 PM   #414
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Maybe it will finally sink in after the GOP controls EVERY political seat and you've set racial equality back 30-40 years. We’re already seeing open racist sentiment and an increase of hate crimes. That’s not because of people like me. It's because of people like YOU and Fly.

You’ve squeezed out the entire middle with your easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming at people. When people are torn between liberal issues they hold with a conservative one, they almost always shift/vote RIGHT. Very rarely will a liberal issue (like pro-choice) overpower a conservative one (like 2A) and cause someone to vote left.

But keep making sure that Karen ****ing Handels beat the Jon Ossofs! Think about that... How bad of a ****ing job are you doing when a Dem can’t even win in a political climate where the GOP are stealing judges, gerrymandering districts, restricting voters, kicking 23M off health Insurance, giving the richest people tax cuts, all the while having the most unpopular nutcase in history in the WH? And you think I’M the problem? LMFAO!
I'm not up to date with the latest editions of Lestat's concern trolling as I usually skip by them, but I'm sure the reason that Jon Ossoff lost in this post is because Fly calls people racist on the internet, yeah?
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:48 PM   #415
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Maybe we can get this thread back on track and talk about why BernieBros are out there shooting at lesbians of color.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:01 PM   #416
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Maybe it will finally sink in after the GOP controls EVERY political seat and you've set racial equality back 30-40 years. We’re already seeing open racist sentiment and an increase of hate crimes. That’s not because of people like me. It's because of people like YOU and Fly.

You’ve squeezed out the entire middle with your easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming at people. When people are torn between liberal issues they hold with a conservative one, they almost always shift/vote RIGHT. Very rarely will a liberal issue (like pro-choice) overpower a conservative one (like 2A) and cause someone to vote left.

But keep making sure that Karen ****ing Handels beat the Jon Ossofs! Think about that... How bad of a ****ing job are you doing when a Dem can’t even win in a political climate where the GOP are stealing Supreme Court Judges, gerrymandering districts, restricting voters, kicking 23M off health Insurance, giving the richest people tax cuts, all the while having the most unpopular nutcase in history in the WH? And you think I’M the problem? LMFAO!
Must be nice to be in the party of personal responsibility. Take no responsibility for your vote or actions and put it all on the other side.

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Old 06-22-2017, 12:17 AM   #417
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Maybe we can get this thread back on track and talk about why BernieBros are out there shooting at lesbians of color.
Intra left violence is never good.
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Old 06-22-2017, 04:58 AM   #418
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Maybe she's a Republican.
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Old 06-22-2017, 07:48 AM   #419
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Maybe it will finally sink in after the GOP controls EVERY political seat and you've set racial equality back 30-40 years. We’re already seeing open racist sentiment and an increase of hate crimes. That’s not because of people like me. It's because of people like YOU and Fly.
Dude you're the one with the open racist sentiment.

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You’ve squeezed out the entire middle with your easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming at people. When people are torn between liberal issues they hold with a conservative one, they almost always shift/vote RIGHT. Very rarely will a liberal issue (like pro-choice) overpower a conservative one (like 2A) and cause someone to vote left.
This theory is completely unsupported by the evidence or whatever, but also, just like Lestat constantly saying that he voted Clinton, kind of negates his other theory about how people calling racist stuff racist made people vote Trump.

P.S. No one remotely left of center, or even at the center, unironically writes: "easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming"

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But keep making sure that Karen ****ing Handels beat the Jon Ossofs! Think about that... How bad of a ****ing job are you doing when a Dem can’t even win in a political climate where the GOP are stealing Supreme Court Judges, gerrymandering districts, restricting voters, kicking 23M off health Insurance, giving the richest people tax cuts, all the while having the most unpopular nutcase in history in the WH? And you think I’M the problem? LMFAO!
Well, yes, because you vote for that ****. We vote against it.
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Old 06-22-2017, 07:49 AM   #420
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I'm not up to date with the latest editions of Lestat's concern trolling as I usually skip by them, but I'm sure the reason that Jon Ossoff lost in this post is because Fly calls people racist on the internet, yeah?
Clearly you've not been keeping up. Fly calling people racist is the cause of pretty much everything wrong in the world. But especially all the racist things thst are happening.
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Maybe it will finally sink in after the GOP controls EVERY political seat and you've set racial equality back 30-40 years. We’re already seeing open racist sentiment and an increase of hate crimes. That’s not because of people like me. It's because of people like YOU and Fly.
wait wait wait, hold up. so you have this stupid totally not brand new theory that libs like fly and myself caused trump's win by forcing all these totally not racist, well-to-do center and left-of-center voters to go and vote for trump out because they were so sick and tired of unfairly being called racists that they just decided to support the racist out of spite? LOL, aside from the fact that everybody knows you're totally not left of center and you're totally talking about yourself here, we dont want a bunch of stupid, spiteful, racist ****heads on our side anyway! so if you're gonna vote for donald trump simply because you think you're proving some point and that somebody else just forced you to do it because you're such a special, sensitive little guy, then good, **** off! quit pretending to be one of us!

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You’ve squeezed out the entire middle with your easily triggered progressive snowflake screaming at people.
said by no liberal ever. next?

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When people are torn between liberal issues they hold with a conservative one, they almost always shift/vote RIGHT. Very rarely will a liberal issue (like pro-choice) overpower a conservative one (like 2A) and cause someone to vote left.
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But keep making sure that Karen ****ing Handels beat the Jon Ossofs! Think about that... How bad of a ****ing job are you doing when a Dem can’t even win in a political climate where the GOP are stealing Supreme Court Judges, gerrymandering districts, restricting voters, kicking 23M off health Insurance, giving the richest people tax cuts, all the while having the most unpopular nutcase in history in the WH? And you think I’M the problem? LMFAO!
you're obviously the problem because you're the stupid careless mother****er who is out there punting for gary johnson or voting for trump and republicans like handel in light of all that predictable ****ery, because you want to spite people who call you out on your racist bull****. that makes you orders of magnitude worse and more responsible for this situation we're in than me.

but it's impossible to take you seriously since you've failed to mention anything about the DNC withholding money from local/state level candidates and voter suppression combined with racial gerrymandering of districts by republican legislatures, so what's the point? you're not left of center, you're not smart, you're not observant, and you're not correct about anything you just said. lol try harder next time when u try to come savage me ok bro? cuz i'd be embarassed if i was you right now (not embarassed enough to vote for trump tho, that's on you)

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But part of the idea for the right to bear arms is to have protection against unlikely events like these.
So you're saying the right justifies their 2A reverence by citing "black swan" fringe possibilities? Seems legit.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:37 AM   #423
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This idea that political debate need not devolve into the personal realm is incorrect in the present climate. It only works if one thinks his opponent is disagreeing because he is "mistaken". But if one thinks that their own stance is the obviously correct one, and thus the only explanation for disagreement is that the opponent is selfish or evil, or is lazy and wants to freeload, there is no hope that the debate doesn't become personal.
Politics is an extension of your personal values. Unless you're discussing positions you have no real interest in I'm not sure how a good faith political discussion doesn't naturally become an emotional, personal exercise.
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Clearly you've not been keeping up. Fly calling people racist is the cause of pretty much everything wrong in the world. But especially all the racist things thst are happening.
Jokingly, I have to wonder how much homosexual activity "increased" after people started using the slur f*ggot. Like a guy was like, "he called me f*ggot and I'm totally straight but now I'm going to have gay sex to show him because he's using that word too much!"

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Old 06-22-2017, 09:46 AM   #425
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it's impossible to take you seriously since you've failed to mention anything about the DNC withholding money from local/state level candidates and voter suppression combined with racial gerrymandering of districts by republican legislatures, so what's the point?
Yeah, the 'calling stuff racist made people vote Trump' brigade never really have an answer for this. I mean, Lestat has paid lip-service to the general concept of minority vote suppression (it's "huge", IIRC), but those tangible and quantifiable factors seem considerably less important than the white whale of Too Many Snowflakes.
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