I'm confused why this is not just the price of freedom nothing to see here...

Nice try, Wookie. When I feel the need to eat a ban, I'll just ask you for it. 2p2 is not the place for an actual "how to fix America" debate between the libs and people like me.


Unfortunately, that's not how voting works in America. God Emperor Inso0 would happily hand out government assistance to people willing and able to take an active role in their own future. Compassionate conservatism isn't an oxymoron. You and I just disagree with how best to help people in need, and what level of personal responsibility needs to come into play.

Freedom to easily obtain machine guns, hardly a basic human right

I haven't been able to follow the details of this today, but was there armed security at the game? My impression was that there was because of the shootout. Anyway, I guess if so gun nuts will finally shut up about gun free zones and how "good guys" with guns will stop stuff like this from happening because we have a direct example of that not working.


LOL I'm just kidding, I know they won't take anything away from this and actually learn and grow as a human being.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/875188882832326656

Outsiders generally have the best perspective on things, they can view things with objectivity.

People in most of Europe and the Americas can see that religion has no place in government----> see a lot of Muslim countries and some other pockets here or there (rural US) doing it and it has never done anything positive.

People pretty much everywhere in the entire world agree that gun control is so obviously necessary except for a large chunk of the US where it is somehow still an issue.

If someone is hell bent on killing a lot of people they will find a way to get their hands on some kind of vehicle to do it. If it takes a lot of work to get a pistol they may do that, they may say meh. I'm sure none of them decide they want to kill exactly 24 people, just a lot in their mind. If tanks were readily available they would go for those, obviously that's more or less impossible. Like almost everything there is a trade off between effort and effectiveness. In England the terrorists chose a truck and knives, in the US an AR15 isn't too hard to get so they choose that and subsequently can inflict way more damage.

I fired an AR15 at a gun range, you don't even need any training. It's point and click, there's no way any non military person/ law enforcer should ever have that weapon.

You don't even get it. It's not about getting murder rates down. It's about defending ourselves against militarized police forces. Especially in an era of a fascist "Law & Order" leader who'd love nothing better than to write his own media and use law enforcement to silence his detractors. Go ahead and laugh. You'd be surprised the fight a few thousand well armed citizens could put up even against the US military!

You want to reduce the firepower owned by the public? Then start with demilitarizing police forces. Because if a weapon is legal for a local police force to use, then it should be legal for private citizens.

Btw- This has nothing to do with common sense gun control such as waiting periods, mental health checks, etc.

FYP

Seems OK for a security detail to take down a shooter. Now we just have to pay for everyone to have a security detail.

Yo, I argue against police violence more than you do, but I also know that police killings, as terrible and as frequent as they are, are a very small part of the total gun violence in America. Also, police killings with guns that aren't handguns are a very small part of police killings. Also, arming oneself is a terrible solution to police violence.

How does Sweden help people "willing and able to take an active role in their own future" better than we do?

With meatballs and a puppet chef.

adios making it personal, standard.

Depends on whose stats you use, but private estimates (WaPo, The Guardian, Fatal Encounters) put the number of police homicides (includes those considered justifiable) at 900-1300/year and there are about 11000-12000 gun homicides total. So around 10% of gun homicides.

I don't really dispute these numbers, but if you want to dispute my language of "very small" as inapplicable to an order of magnitude difference, then I concede. Admittedly, liberals will concede that many, even most, police shootings are justified. The guy today, I mean, I'm not happy he died, but I'm not going to count either shooting him or his death against the police.

The whole "we need powerful guns to protect against government tyranny" is complete bull**** here in the US. While folks are spouting off hard talk and dreaming themselves the hero in their personal Red Dawn fantasy, they're ignoring the mechanisms of oppression that governments are most effective with today. Militaries and police forces are expensive, but propaganda is cheap and tends to travel very well among those must susceptible to it, more so now with all of the communications channels.

Besides that, freedom fighting is tough work and tends to require real devotion to the values you're fighting for, whether right or wrong. It's pretty hard to see that from people who seemingly re-adjust their values and beliefs every time Trump (or whatever GOP mouthpiece) inconveniently violates them.

Sensitive snowflake cucks are making themselves targets I guess. Problem is much like calling them names, shooting them will just make them act only in spite.

https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson/s...51834951827457


https://twitter.com/ClintSmithIII/st...60548064841728


https://twitter.com/ClintSmithIII/st...62050485510147

So the dude who did this was accused of domestic violence for roughing up hid daughter, punching a woman in the face (when that woman tried to help the daughter). He reached into her car, turned off the engine and cut her seat belt with a knife. For good measure he also fired a shot from a shotgun at some other dude.


A minor incident.

No reason he shouldn't have had guns.

Just men doing manly things, I guess.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor..._shooters.html

Seems pretty clear this is Trump's fault with all his DRAIN THE SWAMP talk. Trump has gone on and on about how congress is full of scumbags, and this nutter figured he'd step up and do some swamp draining.

So are shootings like this. When you use some random crazed Bernie bro as reason to institute more gun control laws it's laughable. I can almost guarantee there will probably be triple the people shot in Chicago this weekend than at yesterday's baseball practice for over age politicians.

I'm sure I'll look in Monday to see post after outraged post decrying all the people shot in America's large cities over the weekend, right?

You're not doing any positive work for racial justice by bringing up Breitbart talking points and Trump dogwhistles against black Americans.

I'd have laid even money that this shooter (before he was identified) was a white guy as opposed to a Muslim or any other minority. But would you have laid even money that he was a Bernie supporter?! I wouldn't have.

Not sticking up for Trump. To the extent this is his fault is because he's created such a hostile political atmosphere. But he's absolutely right that congress is full of scumbags. Especially, Republican ones.