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Old 04-08-2015, 01:22 AM   #126
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

Javi is right. Instead of the cop saying "I should give CPR and save this guys life after I fired 8 bullets." he instead thought, "I better move this taser so the paramedics don't trip when they get here."
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:23 AM   #127
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Ok everybody, I want to hear what your reasoning is behind planting his own taser.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:24 AM   #128
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Guy flee's, then shoots when cornered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMWoikwMgU

Dont be so ****ing results oriented. Until the victim is in handcuffs and has been properly searched the officer has no idea that he isnt armed. Just because he ran away does not mean he cant turn from defender to aggressor.
Pretty hard to be cornered in a ****ing field.

Even if we concede that argument, what about the fact that these cops stood around and let the guy die instead of giving CPR until the paramedics arrived?
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:27 AM   #129
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Ok everybody, I want to hear what your reasoning behind planting a taser is.
HAHHHAHAHAAHHHA!

You obviously didn't read a thing about what happened and just went to auto "defend the cop" mode.

Hint: Cop told station that the black guy tried to wrestle the taser away from him and felt his life was in danger.

Last edited by JWM155; 04-08-2015 at 01:28 AM. Reason: You know...the reason why he's actually charged with murder.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:28 AM   #130
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it doesn't. that was my original point. cops are really dumb.

maybe the kind of people who should be cops, should be the same kind of people who would at least 'know how' to cover up a murder. you should have to levels to your thinking. this guy is a level one thinker at best.

planting the taser is what some simpleton with a 93 iq would do. makes no sense.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:28 AM   #131
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Javi is right. Instead of the cop saying "I should give CPR and save this guys life after I fired 8 bullets." he instead thought, "I better move this taser so the paramedics don't trip when they get here."
It is completely standard protocol for police to handcuff someone after being shot. They are presumed hostile until confirmed dead. What I dont know is if performing CPR on a gunshot victim is standard for the police to perform.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:28 AM   #132
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Ok everybody, I want to hear what your reasoning is behind planting his own taser.
Damn, you got us. No one can think of any possible reason why he would ever do this.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:31 AM   #133
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Guy flee's, then shoots when cornered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMWoikwMgU

Dont be so ****ing results oriented. Until the victim is in handcuffs and has been properly searched the officer has no idea that he isnt armed. Just because he ran away does not mean he cant turn from defender to aggressor.
didn't watch, doesn't matter to me.

he can pursue with weapon draw ready to go all the way if there is a threat.

not instantly unload because the guy ran away.

GTFO!!!
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:32 AM   #134
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Seriously guys. I have been mostly on the other side of the law but have always avoided cops on all levels , and I'm telling you , from some of the reactions I am seeing , we are getting very close to that last straw.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:33 AM   #135
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It is completely standard protocol for police to handcuff someone after being shot. They are presumed hostile until confirmed dead. What I dont know is if performing CPR on a gunshot victim is standard for the police to perform.
Interesting how you just skimmed over the part about moving the taser.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:33 AM   #136
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HAHHHAHAHAAHHHA!

You obviously didn't read a thing about what happened and just went to auto "defend the cop" mode.

Hint: Cop told station that the black guy tried to wrestle the taser away from him and felt his life was in danger.
I've read everything that happened, and the "plant evidence" angle is impossible. The cop cannot logically plant a taser who's wires are dangling across the sidewalk after being picked up and dragged over to the body, in conjuction with the afid tags dispersed at the area of discharge and the bullet casings near them. And the video actually confirms something happened with the taser prior to him shooting with this firearm. Either the black guy knocked it out of his hand, or the officer threw it to the ground so he could reach for his firearm once the victim began to run. The officer obviously TRIED to tase him initially. I believe it was confirmed the taser probes did not successfully make contact hence the reason the victim was able to run away in the first place.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:35 AM   #137
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Damn, you got us. No one can think of any possible reason why he would ever do this.
I'll get the popcorn and await a real response... or another animated gif if you cant come up with one.
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see what he did though? according to him, cop couldn't have had murderous intentions because someone gave him cpr (which again, i didn't see, and doesn't ****ing matter to me).
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I'll get the popcorn and await a real response... or another animated gif if you cant come up with one.
i gave you your response.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:36 AM   #140
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it doesn't. that was my original point. cops are really dumb.

maybe the kind of people who should be cops, should be the same kind of people who would at least 'know how' to cover up a murder. you should have to levels to your thinking. this guy is a level one thinker at best.

planting the taser is what some simpleton with a 93 iq would do. makes no sense.
It's not that cops are dumb. This cop was just oblivious to the fact he was being video taped. If there's no video, his explanation of the black guy trying to grab the taser makes perfect sense.

It's amazing how these big bad cops with guns, armor and protection are in such fear for there lives.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:37 AM   #141
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I've read everything that happened, and the "plant evidence" angle is impossible. The cop cannot logically plant a taser who's wires are dangling across the sidewalk after being picked up and dragged over to the body, in conjuction with the afid tags dispersed at the area of discharge and the bullet casings near them. And the video actually confirms something happened with the taser prior to him shooting with this firearm. Either the black guy knocked it out of his hand, or the officer threw it to the ground so he could reach for his firearm once the victim began to run. The officer obviously TRIED to tase him initially. I believe it was confirmed the taser probes did not successfully make contact hence the reason the victim was able to run away in the first place.
yep... so he's clearly justified in snap unloading on him. wft is wrong with you?
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:39 AM   #142
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didn't watch, doesn't matter to me.

he can pursue with weapon draw ready to go all the way if there is a threat.

not instantly unload because the guy ran away.

GTFO!!!
A cop is ‘legally’ justified shooting a fleeing suspect in the back if it’s reasonable for him to believe the suspect posed a serious threat to the cop or the public. And the way the laws are written, it’s the state’s burden to prove he wasn’t justified, not his to prove he was. So the actual manner of the shooting isn’t really a relevant factor. What’s relevant is what happened before and after.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:42 AM   #143
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Full disclosure: I am playing a bit of devil's advocate here because I hate making emotional kneejerk decisions. My initial reaction to the video was "damn, cop just murdered that guy". But then again I'm sitting here in my chair looking at a computer screen, not out on the streets on patrol. Even then I have to assume a modicum of common sense and believe that there is simply no legitimate threat this cop was facing. Even the officers mannerisms suggest a rather cavalier shooting. I dont detect any degree of urgency or panic in his motions, but rather more like how he would draw his weapon at a shooting range, cold and confident.

At the same time though there are elements to what happened that need to be examined. Some people will point to "well what happened before the altercation? What was the traffic stop like? Who was with him?" I'm not even concerned about that because it will forever be hearsay. What we do know is

1) Cop fired taser
2) Taser didnt work
3) Cop lost control of taser either intentionally or was disarmed
4) Cop fired gun
5) Cop moved taser for unknown and utterly useless reason. I'm sorry but you are never going to convince me this was a plant because you cannot plant a taser in this manner. The cop would have to wind up all the cable from the probes and collect about 100 afid tags off the ground to make it look like there was a struggle in that area that required the taser to be directly next to the body.
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It's not that cops are dumb. This cop was just oblivious to the fact he was being video taped. If there's no video, his explanation of the black guy trying to grab the taser makes perfect sense.

It's amazing how these big bad cops with guns, armor and protection are in such fear for there lives.
ya, but it wouldn't play in court. 10 bullets to back the of a guy who stole your taser and ran off.

if he did plant the taser, it was a stone simpletons move. which in no-way makes him justified. he could have easily tossed a burner up under him and that's the end of it.
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run along javi. nobody here accepts your retarded premise.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:47 AM   #146
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If a cop shoots someone who drops their firearm, is he expected to leave the firearm where it fell for forensic purposes? I'm pretty sure an officer is not going to leave a sawed off shotgun, AK47, or even simple pistol laying in the grass, or in this case a taser.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:47 AM   #147
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Javi,

You make "Cop fired gun" sound so casual.

What you really mean is Cop fired gun 8x as suspect was running away before he fell and died. Not just 3 or 4 feet away. Not even 5 or 10 feet away. But this far away.



It is a legit 50 feet away.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:49 AM   #148
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run along javi. nobody here accepts your retarded premise.
My retarded premise? What premise have I even made? All I have said is that the taser isnt a plant. The premise here is that it is, of which nobody has offered any kind of explanation for whatsoever. They just saw the cop move it and pull a scripted response from their archive of hollywood storytelling and say "PLANT! PLANT! PLANT!"
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javi is one of two things. a racist cop-blower, or a complete ****ing dumb-ass.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:51 AM   #150
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My retarded premise? What premise have I even made? All I have said is that the taser isnt a plant. The premise here is that it is, of which nobody has offered any kind of explanation for whatsoever. They just saw the cop move it and pull a scripted response from their archive of hollywood storytelling and say "PLANT! PLANT! PLANT!"
you're clearly justifying murder.
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