I just think persecuting thought-crime is extremely counter productive to discussions about race. Maybe those posters are racist, maybe not, but I don't see much evident racism in the posts, especially in abseeker's.

When the ethos underlying somebody's point of view is hatred and mistrust of black people, that's pretty ****ing important to a discussion on race. He's shooting down proposed solutions because he thinks most black people are criminals.

This is the same bull**** rhetoric you racist ****s (and yes, I'm calling YOU racist, because since you can use your hands to make words go on the screen it's likely you're not dumb enough to think otherwise) trot out. "OH NOES, BY TALKING ABOUT RACISM IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE YOU'RE MAKING THE RACISTS UNCOMFORTABLE AND NOT HAVING A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION".

A discussion where people point out that you're a piece of **** isn't fun, but the solution isn't sticking your fingers in your ears, it's not being a piece of ****.

I'm from Tennessee, so you'll definitely get no argument from me that racism exists in the America. But when you have a bunch of people chatting on the internet in a politics forum, you isolate a group of people who probably a few standard deviations more intelligent and educated than the mean U.S. citizen. It becomes pretty unlikely that the person you're debating a political issue with is an overt racist, and a lot more likely that they're just a person who disagrees with you about a racial issue.

Even if the person is a racist, what value is there in just calling him out? Why not try to persuade him that his views are flawed? He's posting in a discussion forum (presumably) because he wants to discuss a topic.

I don't want to reform racists, I want to make them feel bad and get other people to stop engaging them and giving them a platform to spread their hate.

And no- there's nothing about this message board that selects for intelligence or a lack of racism. You can tell, because abseeker's obviously racist and very dumb posts are there for you to read.

Talk about racism, by all means. That would be great. Telling all of the posters who disagree with your views how racist they are and leaving it at that is not talking, it's just crusading.

Perhaps this is true on average, but you haven't been reading this forum very long if you think it applies by default to everyone who comes by here.

Because racists plug their ears. See any discussion that's ever happened on this forum about voter ID.

I mean lol, you've called me a racist already and I've barely said anything, is this not proof of my point?

See, this is a tell, when you try to explain away actual racism by claiming it's just liberal slander applied to everyone who disagrees with them.

What you've said has been to come here to white knight for a poster spewing overtly racist ****, so no, it's not remotely proof.

It distracts from the real work to be done, which is pinning down Gray's exact motive for breaking his own neck.

You're free to choose the blue pill instead, the one that just means you're an guy who doesn't understand why those posts are racist.

Few people are going to suggest the cops are explicitly out to kill black people. The most reasonable view on what's happens is that there's an image of the average black person as a dangerous criminal that racist often hold.

That's the exact mentality abseeker is showing in his posts. His attitude, his assumptions about black people, that's exactly how we went up Tamir Rice killed by cops so scared they couldn't take the time to figure out he was a 12 year old with a toy.

I wasn't white knighting for those posters, I was white knighting for uncensored discussion. I don't even know who those people are.


Only thing racist in this post is believing that police forces in black communities should be mostly black. The police forces should be hired based on qualification, of course. The second part of the post would have been racist if it had been his view, but he was asking to clarify someone else's view (hence the "what you're saying" part).

Absolutely nothing racist about this post at all. The mistrust of the police by blacks (not unfounded by the way) is a big obstacle to hiring blacks to be cops.

I'll actually give it to you that the first sentence is a little racist. The appeal to Charles Barkley fallacy was just dumb, and I'm inclined to believe that this post is more ignorant than bigoted.

I don't agree. If the police are your neighbors, you see them shopping at the same store, your kids play together, etc. you're bound to have more trust and faith in them.

If they come from somewhere else and they don't even look like you, they may as well be an invading army from another land. The cops start acting the part, and the people respond in kind.

Completely irrelevant. There are many crimes that most of the population doesn't consider a crime, all that matters is if the govt considers it a crime.

Yes, you could make a reasonable case that being black is a qualification in itself.

Interesting. I think his post which equates the black communities to being in or at least sympathetic to the gangs was the most racist.

That's what France did with Muslim communities. No cop zones. Not a workable solution.

I only defended the one post, I'm afraid I haven't seen the post you're referring to.

lol

Separate but equal police departments seems totally legit and nothing could go wrong there imo.

Some cities have preferences and incentives for hiring police that live in the area where they work.

Setting up separate but not equal agencies though is awful.

You are going to present a source here, right?

Not what I'm saying. Members of a community have a more vested interest in the community than an outsider. And a better idea of the needs too.

It's negs, he hits and runs with totally nonsensical hot takes, people have learned to just ignore him.