Based on the new information over the past couple days, that an additional "stop" of the van took place that was caught on private CCTV cameras (note that this stop goes against the reported statements of the officers involved that have given statements), this is my current theory of what happened:

Freddie Gray was taken down hard, hard enough to cause pain, but didn't cause his fatal injury. He was pissed and uncooperative (not blaming him at all).

He was purposely not seat belted and instead the plan was to "train" him (Train = RailRoad = RR = Rough Ride).

They did a quick stop (this is the stop that went unreported by the officers, and was caught on private CCTV cameras) and, being unbelted and restrained, his body was flung forward (likely head first at an angle) into the metal walls inside the van.

That stop caused his fatal injury.

The van was then used to pick up another perp who (supposedly) reported that he heard Freddie Gray making banging sounds that sounded like he was trying to injure himself. If this leaked information is, in fact, true, Freddie Gray was likely experiencing convulsions or a seizure based on the injuries sustained during the rough ride, and the sound heard was the sound of Freddie Gray's convulsing body banging against the seat, walls, etc. in the van.

My guess is that the 1 officer out of the 6 officers involved who has "excercised their constitutional right" to not yet give a statement is the officer who was the driver of the van.

Abs?

abseeker who on Earth do you think you fool with this bull****?

I noticed Fox News had Mark Furman on again. "Cops in America aren't racist. Now, to discuss this issue we have a former cop whose claim to fame is lying about his use of racial slurs under oath."

rugby -

Not to offend, but I ignore unimportant questions. Historical amounts in non-cop abuse cases don't matter. Anyone knows you can win big in a cop abuse lawsuit, and that is what would matter to someone thinking of conning the taxpayers out of money.

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It's time for this nation to have an honest conversation about white dudes.

Is lead paint the new lean?

They are saying the second guy actually gave his story and said it was a smooth and quiet ride

Who are "they?"

The other guy wasn't in the van the whole time.

Right, so I believe the timeline is:

-Freddie Gray arrested
-Freddie Gray placed in van
-Van makes stop that went unreported by officers but was caught on CCTV <--Where I believe fatal injury took place, brakes were slammed on, his body went flying forward in back of van
-Van makes stop to pick up other perp
-Other perp hears banging sounds from Freddie Gray <--Where I believe are caused by convulsions from a seriously (fatally) injured Freddie Gray.

The term "rough ride" doesn't mean that the entirety of the trip was rough. It probably was smooth once the second perp was loaded, but the point is, the unreported stop took place prior to the second perp being loaded into the van.

The fact that this stop was (reportedly) not reported by any of the officers who have given statements means that they either all forgot about this stop, or they decided to all lie. And if the latter, then why? Probably because it was a quick stop done to rough up Freddie Gray.

What are the chances that the van has an onboard computer that will have recorded the telemetry of that unreported stop? I know nothing about what type of information gets logged on vehicles these days.

I'd agree with this,police forces in black communities should be mostly black, but what you're saying is blacks commit so much crime that there are not enough black non felons to fill these positions, so we have to let felons become cops.

have you considered that black cops may be looked down upon as traitors or uncle toms, and may be regarded as legitimate targets of the neighborhood's gangs.

If the community, or even just the criminal element of the community doesn't want community residents to become cops, it may be hard to find those who are willing to serve.

Some of these felonies aren't considered crimes by the black community. Remember Barkley defended AP on child beating. Barkley said that's the way we raise children.

The cop that refused to give a statement and pleaded the fifth should be dismissed without pay. You can go that route but you should not be able to do that and keep your job.

Maybe the government can hire a black dispute resolution organization to police black neighborhoods.

Glad you guys don't feel the need to hide sentiments like this anymore.

Could you elaborate on what was blatantly racist about those comments?

Hold my hand, as we go hand and hand, into racist land.

Sweeping generalizations about black people not believing many kinds of felonies are crimes is transparently racist.

Seems like he was referring specifically to hitting children, which is extremely prevalent in black and lower-income households. I would have used different words, but I think "transparently racist" is a little much.

What about the other posts?

I would have gone with "obviously racist" and "so racist only an idiot or another racist would argue otherwise".

Presumably there are others and beating children is just one thing that blacks believe are acceptable that other good wholesome non black people don't think are.

You guys get that you can admit that racism exists without also having to admit you're racist? If you want to hide that, you can at least try. Instead I just get the impression y'all are so ****ing stupid the only way you'll be safe from being accused of racism is if it doesn't exist at all and you don't ever have to change.