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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

04-30-2015 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Still no. While disciplinary rules that have come about in the context of unions are unacceptable, unions are not a necessary condition for their existence, even if unions might be sufficient.
Man, you know better than to keep doing this. If you're not going to ban him, at least don't facilitate his trolling.
04-30-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
The Washington Post has reported that Freddie and his family were involved in a successful settlement of a Lead Paint lawsuit a decade back.


Which means:

1) his brain and behavior may have been affected by lead poisoning

2) he had a motive for injuring himself (potential lawsuit money)
Racist right-wing fan fiction never fails to deliver
04-30-2015 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
We have a leaked police report, but we also know that the police lied on the first report (saying that Gray was arrested "without force or incident") and that police did not follow procedure.
and even if it's technically possible to injure yourself that way, it's very unlikely.

Seems far more likely there's too much evidence against any other explanation except for the obvious one that this was done to him.

What next - man runs from police and shoots himself 6 times?
04-30-2015 , 11:04 AM
Maybe Baltimore has the nicest cops ever and they don't want to get people in trouble for resisting, so when they tackle and taze a suspect, they falsely report the arrest as "without incident." That would be my take if I were seeking abs.
04-30-2015 , 11:06 AM
Given this is a PD that beat up a pregnant woman for witnessing them beating up a suspect I'm going to require more than "a guy heard some banging" consistent with someone being beaten up or kicking the floor to get medical attention which he asked for repeatedly to believe he did it to himself.
04-30-2015 , 11:06 AM
I mean if the story is suicide by umm.... van interior you'd like BPD wouldn't be so shy about releasing the report to the public.
04-30-2015 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
We have more witnesses that say Freddie was trying to hurt himself than we have witnesses that say a gang of cops beat him up.


But don't let that stop you from choosing the speculation that you prefer, that facts be damned.
Witnesses:

1, none
2, still none
04-30-2015 , 11:11 AM
A Baltimore public defender posted this on facebook, worth reading:

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OK...here it is...

I'm going to try to keep this as brief as I can, but I've been asked by several people about Central Booking today, so I'll give you guys the shocking highlights. As much as I'd like to, I can't describe the particulars of some of the more egregious arrests, due to attorney/client privilege issues, but I would like to describe the Civil Liberties violations, and the deplorable conditions which people have had to endure.

As many of you know, more than 250 people have been arrested since Monday here in Baltimore. Normally when you are arrested, you are given a copy of your charging documents and then you must see a commissioner within 24 hours for a bail determination ("prompt presentment") and given a trial date. If you are not released after the commissioner hearing, you will be brought before a judge for
a review of the bail set by the commissioner. None of this was happening, so we sent some lawyers to Central Booking yesterday to try to help. I heard, however, that only 2 commissioners showed up, and the correctional officers only brought about 9 people to be interviewed because the jail was on a mysterious "lock-down".

Today we were divided into two groups. Some of the lawyers were assigned the task of actually doing judicial bail reviews for as many folks as they could get interviewed and docketed. I was assigned to the other group. We were the "habeas team", and we were to interview folks that we felt were being illegally detained, so we could file writs of habeas corpus. Governor Hogan had issued an
executive order, extending the time for prompt presentment to 47 hours. We believed that this order was invalid because the governor has no authority to alter the Maryland Rules. As a result, all people who were being detained for more than 24 hours without seeing a commissioner were being held illegally.

Knowing all of this, I was still not prepared for what I saw when I arrived. The small concrete booking cells were filled with hundreds of people, most with more than ten people per cell. Three of us were sent to the women's side where there were up to 15 women per holding cell. Most of them had been there since Monday afternoon/evening. With the exception of 3 or 4 women, the women who weren't there for Monday's round-ups were there for freaking curfew violations. Many had not seen a doctor or received required medication. Many had not been able to reach a family member by phone. But here is the WORST thing. Not only had these women been held for two days and two nights without any sort of formal booking, BUT ALMOST NONE OF THEM HAD ACTUALLY BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. They were brought to CBIF via paddy wagons (most without seat belts, btw--a real shocker after all that's happened), and taken to holding cells without ever being charged with an actual crime. No offense reports. No statements of probable cause. A few women had a vague idea what they might be charged with, some because of what they had actually been involved in, and some because of what the officer said, but quite a few had no idea why they were even there. Incidentally, I interviewed no one whose potential charges would have been more serious than petty theft, and most seemed to be disorderly conduct or failure to obey, charges which would usually result in an immediate recog/release.

The holding cells are approximately 10x10 (some slightly larger), with one open sink and toilet. The women were instructed that the water was "bad" and that they shouldn't drink it. There are no beds--just a concrete cube. No blankets or pillows. The cells were designed to hold people for a few hours, not a few days. In the one cell which housed 15 women, there wasn't even enough room for them all to lay down at the same time. Three times a day, the guards brought each woman 4 slices of bread, a slice of american cheese and a small bag of cookies. They sometimes got juice, but water was scarce, as the CO's had to wheel a water cooler through every so often (the regular water being "broken".)

My fellow attorneys and I all separately heard the same sickening story over and over. None of the women really wanted to eat 4 slices of bread 3 times a day, so they were saving slices of bread TO USE AS PILLOWS. Let me say that again. THEY WERE ALL USING BREAD AS PILLOWS SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO LAY THEIR HEADS ON THE FILTHY CONCRETE FLOOR.

Interviewing these women was emotionally exhausting. Quite a few of them began crying--so happy to finally see someone who might know why they were there, or perhaps how they might get out of this Kafka-esque nightmare. These women came from all walks of life. We interviewed high school students, college students, people with graduate degrees, people with GED's, single women, married women,
mothers, the well-employed, the unemployed, black women and white women. Almost all of them had no record. Those that did, had things like dui's and very minor misdemeanors. Our group didn't interview any of the men on the other side, but my colleagues reported very similar situations. On the men's side there were journalists and activists, as well as highschool kids with no records, barely 18 years old.

As we were getting ready to leave, we heard that many of these folks might be released without charges, after being held for 2 days. When we returned to the office, our amazing "habeas fellow", Zina Makar, single-handedly filed 82 habeas petitions. That is when we heard that 101 people were released without charges. I'd like to think that the amazing legal response to this injustice played a large part in their release, and I feel privileged to have been a part of it. They may be charged later, but I'm guessing most of them won't based on how minor their alleged infractions are. There are still over a hundred folks in there that need to see a commissioner and/or a judge, but hopefully we have thinned the ranks a little, and we will keep fighting until everyone has received due process. (We are concerned about these folks potential bails, as we are hearing about bails in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for misdemeanor charges).

I'll wrap this up by reminding everyone that all lives matter. We are all human beings. And we are Americans, and as such we are afforded protections under the law, the guilty and innocent alike. If one person is denied due process, we all suffer. If one persons rights and freedoms are trampled on, it's not only a reflection on all of us, but it puts our own liberty at risk. The moment we view some individuals as more important than others, we cheapen ourselves. At the very essence of our democracy is the right to question and stand up to authority. During these trying times, we should all keep that in mind.
04-30-2015 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by miajag
I'll wrap this up by reminding everyone that all lives matter. We are all human beings. And we are Americans, and as such we are afforded protections under the law
That Public defender should be careful. People have been forced to apologize for saying "all lives matter".
04-30-2015 , 11:25 AM
brb guys gotta go sever my spine for some sweet cash-money.
04-30-2015 , 11:33 AM
A previous unknown stop disclosed in the press conference seems important.
04-30-2015 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
People have been forced to apologize for saying "all lives matter".
Wow, that's terrible. How many of them did the police kill?
04-30-2015 , 11:41 AM
I think most likely FG was attempting to morph into his hulk-like alter ego and body so that he could break his shackles and every orbital socket within reach while trying to spin it on the great cops who do great police work and should be supported under any circumstances (no questions) to get a pAyout to support his drug and other addictions but there was a complication in his evolution which naturally left him w his severed spine ( the most common injury in morphs gone wrong).

I got your back abseeker
04-30-2015 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
How the **** could someone break three of his own vertebrae with his hands shackled behind him and his legs shackled? It's not physically possible.
Lol I mean I don't believe this nonsense for a half second about gray trying to hurt himself, but you're ****ing wrong.
04-30-2015 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Still no. While disciplinary rules that have come about in the context of unions are unacceptable, unions are not a necessary condition for their existence, even if unions might be sufficient.
Lol this is pathetic bull****. No one is claiming that unions are the only possible cause for bad disciplinary procedures. They sure as **** however are large contributors tot he actual status quo.

Admit you changed your position, this is just sad.
04-30-2015 , 11:48 AM
Abseeker is the most creative low IQ abject racist we have had on here in awhile.
04-30-2015 , 11:54 AM
The funny(well, "funny") thing about the lead paint lawsuit theory that abseeker is flogging here is that it is Version 2.

Version 1 was conservatives claiming that the lawsuit was over a car accident and like, he secretly had a severed spine already or something.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime...iegraysuit.asp

Only after liberals were kind enough to correct the gumshoes at Breitbart et al. did we see it morph into this bizarro fan fiction where he broke his own spine out of dreams of getting another payday.

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This man has lived his entire adult life off of the settlement money. It pays for his designer fashion accessories, it pays for drugs. His life is quite different from his neighbors who do not have this income source.
You seriously have to be ****ting me. Now you're ****ing angry about "welfare queens" when they live off money from lawsuits that they won because they were poisoned as children? (the settlement amount was allegedly $18k, in 2010, so Freddie must have had some incredible coupon clipping skills to live off that)

Is there any way a black person can own a nice thing without making you furious?
04-30-2015 , 12:06 PM
Abseeker. Did you know the amount was 18k. Now you do, does it change your opinion?

How many designer items did he buy for 18k? How was his lifestyle so different?
04-30-2015 , 12:09 PM
i was under the impression abseeker was a parody account?
04-30-2015 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The funny(well, "funny") thing about the lead paint lawsuit theory that abseeker is flogging here is that it is Version 2.

Version 1 was conservatives claiming that the lawsuit was over a car accident and like, he secretly had a severed spine already or something.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime...iegraysuit.asp
I see how you are trying to discredit the good reporting done by the Washington Post and others by comparing their product to what some random bloggers make up.

It's much easier to do that than to account for the facts that the Post has revealed about those involved in this case.

But then if you just want to peddle your view and ignore actual facts and evidence in a case, I can see why you just do the discrediting thing.
04-30-2015 , 12:18 PM
Loooooool abseeker, just put your Klan robe on and ignore the 18k stuff you regressive loser.
04-30-2015 , 12:19 PM
Literally we're going down with the ship on "he did it to himself"?

OK. First off, and this is a big one, no. No, he didn't. Nobody breaks their own neck. Nope!

Secondly, even if he did, so what? If a mentally ill person injuries themselves in your custody, you have an obligation to get them prompt medical care.

Even your incredibly implausible made up theory still involves the police being responsible for his death!
04-30-2015 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Is there any way a black person can own a nice thing without making you furious?
Sure, they can play the sports-ball for our entertainment... plus it gives us the great thrill of clucking our tongues when they go broke and we get to chime in about "personal responsibility" again... it's like our favorite two-word phrase!
04-30-2015 , 12:24 PM
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/0...eddie-g/203479

Oh, yeah, also, what if he was on drugs. Betcha didn't think of that? All hopped up on them neck snappers the kids are doing these days
04-30-2015 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Literally we're going down with the ship on "he did it to himself"?

OK. First off, and this is a big one, no. No, he didn't. Nobody breaks their own neck. Nope!
perhaps you haven't yet read my later posts. The whole point is all the theories out there are just speculation with little evidence to support them.

And currently there are more witnesses saying Freddie tried to hurt himself than there are witnesses saying that a gang of cops beat him up.

The real answer here is to follow the facts and accept the conclusion those facts tell us when they are eventually available to us.

      
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