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What kind of country are we living in when you can’t park horizontally across two handicap parking spaces, and then act combative to the police calling you out on it without getting tazed?

A pretty ****ing barbaric one honestly. You think a white guy in the same exact situation gets anywhere near the same reaction?

05-25-2018 , 09:00 AM

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I don't know how they were sold in America, but I'm fairly sure I remember back when they were introduced, and everyone was worrying about shocking members of the public with an electric bolt, being told that tasers were all about protecting officers from imminent danger and definitely weren't going to be used in cases of simple non-compliance. Funnily enough, things worked out differently, and now people get tased for "resisting arrest" all the time.

05-25-2018 , 10:19 AM

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This is a good opportunity for a man with some money to stand up and really take it to the police. Hire a good lawyer and sue the department, the state, and each officer individually. Make them have some ****ing responsibility. This "they have now been disciplined" with zero explanation of what the discipline consists of is utter bull****.

05-25-2018 , 10:30 AM

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What does this accomplish though?

Congrats, the taxpayers gave you some money. The police DGAF about that.

05-25-2018 , 11:01 AM

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It accomplishes that cities will try to make sure their police departments don't act like that in the future.

05-25-2018 , 11:31 AM

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Master did include "each officer individually".

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It accomplishes that cities will try to make sure their police departments don't act like that in the future.

I don't think this has worked or that the cities have generally cared either. Courts taking some control has been effective I think as well as electing better city governments. Maybe the big settlements have played a part in elections.

05-25-2018 , 12:13 PM

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If excessive taser use costs the city millions of dollars in settlements then this will have an noticeable effect on the city's budget. This will put pressure on the police to change their behaviour.

05-25-2018 , 12:20 PM

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Suing individual officers is incredibly hard, this case isn't nearly egregious enough to clear the bar.

05-25-2018 , 12:46 PM

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If excessive taser use costs the city millions of dollars in settlements then this will have an noticeable effect on the city's budget. This will put pressure on the police to change their behaviour.

In some cases maybe, but in others cities have had no problem just living with a steady stream of settlememts and making no changes. It's not their money.

05-25-2018 , 01:00 PM

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sefolosha sued the nypd and got 4m after they broke his leg and tore his ligaments. no video of that but I am sure it was really brutal. he claims they kicked his leg sideways for no reason and the injury shows that possibility.

so really it doesnt matter.

05-25-2018 , 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

If excessive taser use costs the city millions of dollars in settlements then this will have an noticeable effect on the city's budget. This will put pressure on the police to change their behaviour.

if this was a thing, it would already be a thing, and you wouldn't need to make a micro econ 101 style explanation of incentives.

05-25-2018 , 01:24 PM

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Stay classy, Milwaukee.

Though, next time maybe just give the cop your ID and apologize for parking like a moron, even if it is at 2am and there probably won't be many people with handicap placards at Walgreens. He even went full ****** and parked across three spaces instead of just illegally parking in ONE handicap space like a normal Milwaukee resident. Rookie mistake.

05-25-2018 , 01:27 PM

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If you had money on Inso popping in to blame the black victim of police violence in Milwaukee, please step forward to collect your $0, because lol, no book would be foolish enough to even offer -100000 on that.

05-25-2018 , 01:35 PM

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Stay classy Inso0

05-25-2018 , 01:37 PM

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I can assure you that police violence in Milwaukee is color-blind. It's just a numbers game though. Whites are a minority in Milwaukee.

05-25-2018 , 01:37 PM

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I can assure you that police violence in Milwaukee is color-blind. It's just a numbers game though. Whites are a minority in Milwaukee.

Citation ****ing needed.

05-25-2018 , 01:55 PM

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Citation ****ing needed.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=milwaukee+demographics

I should be more clear and say there are more non-white than white people in the City of Milwaukee. This is compounded by the fact that a majority of the white population of Milwaukee is heavily concentrated downtown and near the lake.

05-25-2018 , 02:05 PM

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Hahahahaha

Wait wait.

You think that is the part I didn't believe?

Or

Bwahaha, sorry, maybe it's

You think that once black people are the plurality race, systemic racism in policing magically stops?

05-25-2018 , 02:07 PM

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Lol inso

Also lol at somehow implying that police violence is OK if it were to somehow be color blind

05-25-2018 , 02:19 PM

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I don't understand the beef then. Brown ****ed up. The cops ****ed up. His ****up led to their ****up.

I have no problem with taser-happy cops getting kicked off the force if that's the punishment decided upon.

You're making this about "systemic racism" without apparently understanding that almost by default, any dude that gets tased on 27th and National is going to be non-white. The cops didn't drive past a dozen white guys illegally parked to pick on Sterling Brown.

Any traffic stop at 2am in the city of Milwaukee is more likely than not to be a non-white driver.

Not everything is strictly racial.

05-25-2018 , 02:21 PM

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Also I love how he backtracks from whites are the minority to if you add up all the non-white people together there are more of them than white people (also it was pretty obvious you wasn’t asking for a citation on the demographics)

Also Inso you do know that Wisconsin has the highest incarceration rate of black males, last figures I remember seeing was that it was twice as much as the national average, but sure maybe Milwaukee is the one part of the state where the police are colorblind and treat everyone fairly

05-25-2018 , 02:23 PM

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I don't understand the beef then. Brown ****ed up. The cops ****ed up. His ****up led to their ****up.

I have no problem with taser-happy cops getting kicked off the force if that's the punishment decided upon.

You're making this about "systemic racism" without apparently understanding that almost by default, any dude that gets tased on 27th and National is going to be non-white. The cops didn't drive past a dozen white guys illegally parked to pick on Sterling Brown.

Any traffic stop at 2am in the city of Milwaukee is more likely than not to be a non-white driver.

Not everything is strictly racial.

05-25-2018 , 02:24 PM

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JFC I don’t know if you’re just really dumb or like arguing in bad faith. Yeah I’m sure you would be fine with him getting kicked off the force if that’s the punishment decided on (nice qualifier, of course you have no opinion on what should happen to the cop but trust the cops will do what’s best for everyone), but we know that won’t be the punishment so it’s a moot point (getting kicked off and re-hired by another department doesn’t count). Also no one is saying that they skipped over 10 white people doing crimes but if it was a white person in that situation then it wouldn’t have happened the same way

05-25-2018 , 02:25 PM

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Ins0,

It's no great brag that it's fairly rare that police beat or kill people for doing absolutely nothing that brings on police attention (like the kid shot in the park, or the guy shot at the gas station or a few other notable cases). It still is atrocious when people are beat or killed for parking like an ahole, jaywalking or selling cigarettes one at a time (better to beat the people who sell them by the truckload).